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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

Well since the 90s there has been nothing good IMO, the chav look,Burberry check,baseball caps and bling...the ever lower waistband,tracksuits....as you say no specific style.

I went out to M and S today,they have some interesting stuff ( IMO ) a Best of British range including shoes by Cheaney. Loads of hats, trilbys ,fedoras and flat caps in wool ,tweed and waxed cotton..lambswool checked scarves...some brogue belts,I tried on a pure wool "tweed" overcoat,very nice but I need it a bit more fitted.I was thinking that if they did some 3 button suits and blazers they would clean up.

The thing is although M and S stuff is a bit rehashed its also a bit more interesting than the so called fashion end of the high street,just fiddling around with detailing on shirts etc.

That's the thing with M&S, they've 'nearly' got it right on so many occasions. But just not quite 'right' enough to have your local tailor sort it out on the cheap and make it worth while.

post #15602 of 18629
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post
 

That's the thing with M&S, they've 'nearly' got it right on so many occasions. But just not quite 'right' enough to have your local tailor sort it out on the cheap and make it worth while.

Exactly what I thought with the overcoat today,I saw a nice one on that Savvy Row site that you put up a link to,now at that price it would have been worth buying and then having altered,but I didn't fancy paying for the new M and S one and then taking it to a tailor.

I still say though that you have to look at M and S stuff piece by piece,you can write it all off as high street crap but IMO there is some nice quality and dare I say stylish stuff there.

post #15603 of 18629
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Basset View Post

 



Stopped evolving in 71?

 

Yes IMO,by 71 the look had got as smart as it could,as it could get no smarter the only way was down.

 

Only much later when sensible people had reasessed the situation could they take some elements of the Suedehead look and move it forward,and keep the evolution process going.

 

I am sure that someone mentioned on here that if fashion stays still that it stagnates,if you try to recreate something it never works because times have changed, ( again IMO).


There's no doubt that a well turned out suede looks very smart, but i cant agree that clothes, styling, and the people who wore them stopped evolving, there seems to be plenty of evidence that smoothies in there earliest forms evolved out of the suedes.

 

Evolution of fashion and probably a lot of things, has not always been for the better, not always successful and at times a bit messy, compare the mk111 Cortina to a mk11, i think it's fair to say that most would prefer the mk11, but thats now, back then the mk111 was the top kiddie in the showroom.

 

I dont understand the last two points you make, so, my bad as the yoof say

post #15604 of 18629
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

Exactly what I thought with the overcoat today,I saw a nice one on that Savvy Row site that you put up a link to,now at that price it would have been worth buying and then having altered,but I didn't fancy paying for the new M and S one and then taking it to a tailor.

I still say though that you have to look at M and S stuff piece by piece,you can write it all off as high street crap but IMO there is some nice quality and dare I say stylish stuff there.


M&S, do some reasonable kit, there's a few other shops that do as well, but a lot of it often falls 10p short, it's a bit like ebay, you have to trawl thru countless items of rubbish to find the odd gem

post #15605 of 18629
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Originally Posted by Basset View Post
 


There's no doubt that a well turned out suede looks very smart, but i cant agree that clothes, styling, and the people who wore them stopped evolving, there seems to be plenty of evidence that smoothies in there earliest forms evolved out of the suedes.

 

Evolution of fashion and probably a lot of things, has not always been for the better, not always successful and at times a bit messy, compare the mk111 Cortina to a mk11, i think it's fair to say that most would prefer the mk11, but thats now, back then the mk111 was the top kiddie in the showroom.

 

I dont understand the last two points you make, so, my bad as the yoof say

Yes of course Smoothies came after Suedeheads,but was it an evolution ? I have to admit that I am not a style expert just someone who has always had an interest...

As for the Cortinas ( got an interest here too because I had one,and my mates had loads ) I agree that if  it was for LOOKS then the mk2 over the mk3,you have to consider though that with cars its not just body styling its handling,performance etc...my personal favourites mk1 1500 gt,mk1 lotus and mk2 1600e.

post #15606 of 18629
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Originally Posted by Basset View Post
 


M&S, do some reasonable kit, there's a few other shops that do as well, but a lot of it often falls 10p short, it's a bit like ebay, you have to trawl thru countless items of rubbish to find the odd gem

I have to say that for all the times I have looked in there I buy very little from Next...I bought some POW check trousers in the sale this year for £15 ( I think ) reduced from £45...the colour and the check is great but their material is  usually rubbish,at least with M and S they do some all wool or cotton  clothes.

I agree with the e bay comment too,descriptions and sizes being my major problem s there.

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In the time, when i didn't want to spend too much for decent lambswool, i bought M&S (made i UK then). Now i prefer Uniqlo, more stylish IMO, and cheaper (at least here)...

I'm on a budget, being a family man, so i buy from time to time, the less i can, at cheap high street stores, and i'm looking for "gems" too but they are very rare...

But i prefer quality, and i think it's something fom my past, when i wanted good brands, with style, image, and history.

I quote Mr Brideshead aka Knightley, some 800 pages back:

 

We wanted quality and as Kingstonian has said it was thankfully fairly readily available on the High Street then - but you had to pick carefully. We did visit very traditional mens shops and spent more than we could afford on our clothes. It was an aspirational look. The fact that a company was old and established had a great appeal. Crombie started in 1805. Levis, albeit not the ones we wear today dated from the mid 19th C... 

post #15608 of 18629
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post
 

In the time, when i didn't want to spend too much for decent lambswool, i bought M&S (made i UK then). Now i prefer Uniqlo, more stylish IMO, and cheaper (at least here)...

I'm on a budget, being a family man, so i buy from time to time, the less i can, at cheap high street stores, and i'm looking for "gems" too but they are very rare...

But i prefer quality, and i think it's something fom my past, when i wanted good brands, with style, image, and history.

I quote Mr Brideshead aka Knightley, some 800 pages back:

 

We wanted quality and as Kingstonian has said it was thankfully fairly readily available on the High Street then - but you had to pick carefully. We did visit very traditional mens shops and spent more than we could afford on our clothes. It was an aspirational look. The fact that a company was old and established had a great appeal. Crombie started in 1805. Levis, albeit not the ones we wear today dated from the mid 19th C... 

I agree with you Clouseau,but what makes me sad is that even with some of the "good brands " of the past the quality is no longer there,its almost as hard to find decent stuff from some of our old favourites as the high street shops ( maybe a slight exaggeration ).

BTW you mentioned Merc polos a while back, I had a look,now I don't know the quality but £40 seems expensive to me,have a look on e bay at Hanes Beefy polos,loads of colours,short or long sleeves some with pique collars,I have a few they seem good quality and value for money.

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Cerneabbas, about Merc, i was replying to another post. As i said, there is a very few items not too bad made by them. And i actually think they are too expensive for what they are. The few things i've got from this brand were bought during the sales or on Internet at so called "private sales" with big discount...

 

I think like you that for most "good brands" from the past, the quality is not the same. But it really depends, and i find from time to time interesting items by Lee, levi's, FP (not that old, i know), Smedley... And those items last. That's not the case with the ones bought on high street shops.

post #15610 of 18629
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

Yes of course Smoothies came after Suedeheads,but was it an evolution ? I have to admit that I am not a style expert just someone who has always had an interest...

As for the Cortinas ( got an interest here too because I had one,and my mates had loads ) I agree that if  it was for LOOKS then the mk2 over the mk3,you have to consider though that with cars its not just body styling its handling,performance etc...my personal favourites mk1 1500 gt,mk1 lotus and mk2 1600e.


There's a well known pic, it's how the press reported the smoothie, i cant find it, im not gonna say it's bang on, after it's a newspaper and we all know what there like!  but there must be some elements in it that are a reasonable representation.

 

I just cant see the classic looking suedehead, jumping to the Kevin Keegan end of the spectrum overnight.

 

Some nice motors there, the old mans mate has a 1600 e, bought brand new from the showroom, it used to be his daily transport, just comes out on sunny days now, it's been resprayed a few times, but a superb example, in Aubergine no less

post #15611 of 18629
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post
 

Cerneabbas, about Merc, i was replying to another post. As i said, there is a very few items not too bad made by them. And i actually think they are too expensive for what they are. The few things i've got from this brand were bought during the sales or on Internet at so called "private sales" with big discount...

 

I think like you that for most "good brands" from the past, the quality is not the same. But it really depends, and i find from time to time interesting items by Lee, levi's, FP (not that old, i know), Smedley... And those items last. That's not the case with the ones bought on high street shops.

Exactly so...but Mr knightley ( and Kingstonian ) and even me if I had the money in 1970 could walk into a shop selling Levis or Lee etc etc and know that we were getting quality for our money.

Now even some of the best names in English shoes need to be researched before we buy them to make sure if they are even made in England.

post #15612 of 18629
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Originally Posted by Basset View Post
 


There's a well known pic, it's how the press reported the smoothie, i cant find it, im not gonna say it's bang on, after it's a newspaper and we all know what there like!  but there must be some elements in it that are a reasonable representation.

 

I just cant see the classic looking suedehead, jumping to the Kevin Keegan end of the spectrum overnight.

 

Some nice motors there, the old mans mate has a 1600 e, bought brand new from the showroom, it used to be his daily transport, just comes out on sunny days now, it's been resprayed a few times, but a superb example, in Aubergine no less

When the Suedehead look died it was very quick...someone on here mentioned Brut going " out " over one Christmas .

I remember walking through C and A and seeing Jaxtex button downs in one of those end of line baskets 3 for a quid...I always remember thinking well that's that over then.

When we went back to school in January the round neck tank tops and round collar shirts were already appearing..like the plague it spread so quick.

When the sun comes out for a while I like to see the old motors come out,its always good to see a V 12 E type or my favourite sports car the Sunbeam Alpine as seen in Get Carter....cars are more reliable and maybe faster too,but they don't look so good IMO

post #15613 of 18629
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

Exactly so...but Mr knightley ( and Kingstonian ) and even me if I had the money in 1970 could walk into a shop selling Levis or Lee etc etc and know that we were getting quality for our money.
Now even some of the best names in English shoes need to be researched before we buy them to make sure if they are even made in England.

Exactly. At my age, I should be able to buy all my clothes in the High Street - but sadly that is not the case. Down the pub today almost everyone was badly dressed. People think you are 'stylish' if you are are wearing a jacket that buttons up rather than a fleece or zipper jacket. That is the way of the world. You either try harder or go with the flow.
post #15614 of 18629
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

Has anyone heard the recording of Jason King/Peter Wyngarde reading a letter from a Skinhead Girl..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tdG0Ivz5uI

Roy, I can remember being shown the actual letter when it appeared in the paper.

I only heard Wyngarde reading it recently, and I think he's a snide git for the sneering way he reads it out. Okay the letter has grammatical mistakes in it, but it's honest.
post #15615 of 18629
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Originally Posted by bunty View Post

Have we had these before?

I can remember a handful of mods 'up North' in about '67 who wore a tie in that fashion. I don't remember seeing any parka so covered over with badges and stuff.
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That's near enough the kind of surfer jacket I've been going on about - no piping round the sleeves or cuff.
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