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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

That photo has answered a question for me.In the 60s it was always said that the Lapels were slim.Up to `68 they were,then they got slightly wider- as your Brother-in-Law shows(`69),Pressure_Drop.I could remember this,but when?This was just before they got wider still-also about this time I started copying the American idea of pressing back the Lapel so the top button was folded back,giving a deeper look and wider Lapel.
Great pic, pal. nod[1].gif
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Mr Knightley..I think that evolving is a word that can be used in a lot of the situations that have been discussed here,skinheads and their look didn't just happen they evolved...organised hooliganism didn't just happen it evolved.

I think that ( some ) people want simple answers ie Casuals came about because Scousers went thieving whilst following Liverpool FC in Europe....a nice simple explanation but I am sure that as in most situations many contributing factors came together and it evolved.

Would I be correct in saying that the look reached its peak in 71 and then without being able to evolve any more that things had to change to an opposite image ? from the stylish cultured suedehead look to the comical crass smoothie .


Stopped evolving in 71?

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Mac's have popped up, what with the weather change an all that, in terms of practicality it's about the best i can think of when it comes to rain, as mentioned you can get them with a removable lining, i picked one up a few yrs back out of a catalogue, it's not the best in terms of quality, and creases quite easily, but for under 50 bar, i cant complain


Mother liked a mac in 69, r kid dont look to impressed with it

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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post
 

Just came across these Cheaney Boots.They are not on the Cheaney website,but are the same design as the Fiennes model,in a different leather.I'm thinking that they will look O.K. when broken in a bit.Has anyone had experience with them?


Just had a look on there site, i see the've got the 'Velt' welt on them. They look a good quality boot, fit for the purpose of.... and will probably last you a lifetime

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Originally Posted by Basset View Post
 

Mac's have popped up, what with the weather change an all that, in terms of practicality it's about the best i can think of when it comes to rain, as mentioned you can get them with a removable lining, i picked one up a few yrs back out of a catalogue, it's not the best in terms of quality, and creases quite easily, but for under 50 bar, i cant complain


 

 

That's bang on the money Basset.plain and simple but exactly as was worn in the day.It's bloody hard to find something like that in Stone these days.Most have superfluous detail ,wrong length,wrong fabric, etc etc.Having had one in navy as a school kid,i would never buy a dark raincoat again.

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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

That photo has answered a question for me.In the 60s it was always said that the Lapels were slim.Up to `68 they were,then they got slightly wider- as your Brother-in-Law shows(`69),Pressure_Drop.I could remember this,but when?This was just before they got wider still-also about this time I started copying the American idea of pressing back the Lapel so the top button was folded back,giving a deeper look and wider Lapel.

The Skinhead suit 69 circa had narrow lapels.. Never saw wide lapels like the excellent photo and good looking fellow of Pressure Drops Brother in Law pic,smile.gif
Wider Lapels was more later 70s...bit like Jason King,biggrin.gif...
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Originally Posted by Stingy Brim View Post

  Did skinheads follow around any live acts or was it pretty much strictly dancehalls and DJs?

Pretty much, although I do recall the Daylight Inn in Petts Wood (Kent) being packed out for Desmond Dekker - he was late on stage because 'Israelites' had got to No.1 and the BBC wanted him in the 'Top of the Pops' studio.

(Once again, by the way, this is something I'm sure we covered earlier in this thread)
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

The Skinhead suit 69 circa had narrow lapels.. Never saw wide lapels like the excellent photo and good looking fellow of Pressure Drops Brother in Law pic,smile.gif
Wider Lapels was more later 70s...bit like Jason King,biggrin.gif...


The Photo,with my future Wife(taken late `70) had wider Lapels Lasttye.
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post


The Photo,with my future Wife(taken late `70) had wider Lapels Lasttye.

My last 'skinhead suit' was MTM in 1970 in bottle green mohair at Hepworths, and I do recall that having lapels of about the same width as shown in the excellent photo above.

 

It's back to that evolution thing again.  The Jason King look that became established in the early 70s was far more 'exaggerated' and jackets were by then two (or one) button.

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http://www.designweek.co.uk/whats-on/skinhead-culture-in-graphic-design/3037367.article?fb_action_ids=10151968859140953&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_ref=.UmBiLXmqfsM.like&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151968859140953%22%3A1408123806086034%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151968859140953%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%7B%2210151968859140953%22%3A%22.UmBiLXmqfsM.like%22%7D

 

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Originally Posted by Basset View Post
 


Stopped evolving in 71?

i think the better dressed 'Smooths ' looked no more cartoon than the big boots n braces skinheads the newspapers portrayed .

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Originally Posted by Mr Knightley View Post
 

My last 'skinhead suit' was MTM in 1970 in bottle green mohair at Hepworths, and I do recall that having lapels of about the same width as shown in the excellent photo above.

 

It's back to that evolution thing again.  The Jason King look that became established in the early 70s was far more 'exaggerated' and jackets were by then two (or one) button.

I think that the wide lapels are one of the things that make the Dirty Harry films age so badly,yet at the time it was considered up to date.

As you say evolution again,but usually things evolve into something better ? not the case here IMO ( and I know its just personal taste ).

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Originally Posted by Basset View Post

 



Stopped evolving in 71?





Yes IMO,by 71 the look had got as smart as it could,as it could get no smarter the only way was down.



Only much later when sensible people had reasessed the situation could they take some elements of the Suedehead look and move it forward,and keep the evolution process going.



I am sure that someone mentioned on here that if fashion stays still that it stagnates,if you try to recreate something it never works because times have changed, ( again IMO).

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I will catch up with Gareth shortly to get an exact date, but I'm pretty certain it's 1969, perhaps 1970 at the latest. To me what is interesting is that I know for a fact he wasn't a skinhead at all, but he was pretty fashionable (well as fashionable as you can be in Devon) but you can see how the skinhead influence crossed over to the mainstream - especially the check shirt and the silk hanky/stud combo, I'll see if I can get more info from him regarding said suit and also query him on the footwear.

Personally I got my first suit in 1970 (off the peg - Hepworths I think) it was a fetching browny/mustard sort of colour and it also had lapel widths similar to Gareth's.
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Good,Exactly! The same as the rest of us, ska, reggae, original rock n roll and hard rock.

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