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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

I always wince when race / politics comes up on this thread

You're not alone, but in '69 we didn't live in a vacuum - there were race issues and there was politics. The subjects can't be avoided, but neither should they be made central issues.
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

I wore the bloody things-and so did many,many others.

Exactly! Saying they're birds' boots is like saying Ben Shermans are birds' clothes because girls wore them, or braces are birds' clothes because some girls wore them, and so on.
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

FTR: what I stated was not intended as a racist jibe - the people I alluded to tend to be white - and was in the context of the racial discrimination (in the film) that thrived in the USA.

Perhaps someone with the know-how to do so, could remove the post if people are offended.

Nobody's offended, as far as I know, Ed. I replied with a comment about how things were in '69 simply to show that similar issues were around back then.
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

Nobody's offended, as far as I know, Ed. I replied with a comment about how things were in '69 simply to show that similar issues were around back then.


I know Lasttye`s Mob had problems with Black Youths(mainly to do with Girls-isn`t always),but Race never came into it when visiting Clubs.I went into "The Roaring Twenties" and "The Limbo" mainly on my own or just with somebody.If it was going to be trouble it would mostly be with other Skinheads.
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Nice intelligent post there. Well done.

Cheers 

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Just an observation from a couple of pages back re Barbour. They are very common among anglers (fishermen to me and you) these days, especially with those fishing private or club stretches of water. They are bought for their overriding quality and practicality. They may seem slightly pricey but they can last for literally decades. My dad still regrets the one he threw away years ago which could have been re oiled/waxed (he's got another now anyway circa £200).

 

The only other people I see wearing them are plastic football hooligans who look like twats. Wearing a Barbour as a fashion item down the high street is a definite no-no. 

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In the 80s...Paratroopers walking out clobber was Barbour, Border/ or Durham Coat, Maroon Sweatshirt, Levis, Desert Boots.biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

How many time has it been said now ? TBH I don't think that some people are interested in the truth unless it agrees with what they want to hear...if they want to think that only birds wore monkey boots and all the blokes wore bleached jeans rolled up to their knees or anything else why worry ? you know what you saw as do the rest of us alive in Britain then,let the fantasists carry on with their ideas...its just funny IMO.

interested in the truth?? wtf are you talking about??? it´s just my personal taste.. nothing more, nothing less... btw, never said anything about jeans rolled up to the knees...
so everybody have to like every single part of the clothes, cause they are "the truth"???
if you do, it´s your choice...
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Hi all,

 

I have just finished reading this thread from the very first post to the last.  Took me a while but was a good break for work.  This thread has been very enlightening and also shown me at it zenith there is possibly nothing that beats the classic (smart) skinhead look for refinement and taste.  Also there is no shoe finer than a brogue!    

 

I have been into Ivy style and black music since the early 1980’s when I was on the periphery of the mod scene in Sydney Australia.  Anyone interested in the scene then should check out these two clips from some show called Tribes of Australia:

 

Mods: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCUdSvnWiN8

Skins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez0BL3aysQg

 

There were skins here in Oz the sixties I hear but from what I gather they were very much from the UK expat community.  I once had a postcard of a group of expat skins in Oz but haven’t been able to find it on the net.  After that came the sharpies which was much more a domestic thing that went through the seventies and didn’t actually ‘die out’ till around 1983 when some infamous ACDC concert at the Myer Music Bowl in Melbourne finished them off apparently.

 

Hope the book is still chugging along Paul.  I’m sure it is a huge amount of work – even if you can’t get a paper based version you could always try for a more virtual one first or maybe an Apple I Book.   BTW I think the fashion should be gone into in even more detail than Nick Knight’s book – I would like to see labelled diagrams of shirts, shoes, jackets, trousers etc. as sometimes some of the folk here (like Buttons) I can’t really follow totally as I don’t know enough of the lingo when it gets down to subtle differences in collars, stitching etc.

 

There has also been a relatively recent book on the rise and fall of the mod scene in Oz (http://stark-raving-mod.com/) – it’s quite a good read and has heaps of pix as does the Sydney Mods Facebook page.  There is one pic from the sixties on it from a guy who says "1969 Coogee. Getting ready to go to the Burdekin and then on to the Union Jack club where the real mods went".  Hope it posted below.

 

Anyway, a question to the originals:

 

I have never read anything about mods going to football games and yet it appears very much associated with skinheads.  Did it all kick off with the 66 World Cup win? Why did all the skins decide to go to the football when mods – inc. hard mods did not – or did they?  I just can’t quite picture a whole lot of scooters lined up outside a football stadium?

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

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Originally Posted by Stingy Brim View Post

Hope the book is still chugging along Paul. 

Chugging is about right. It's slower work than I thought it would be, but we'll get there eventually.

As for mods at football matches - football has always been a part of urban life in the UK. A Blackpool mod I knew, Steve Harrison, went on to play for his home town team...



... and in 1968, when I first went into the Savoy Rooms in Catford, the DJ would play Let's Go or Liquidator loads of blokes would clap along and yell out "Millwall!" I know I've mentioned this before.
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Originally Posted by ek77 View Post


interested in the truth?? wtf are you talking about??? it´s just my personal taste.. nothing more, nothing less... btw, never said anything about jeans rolled up to the knees...
so everybody have to like every single part of the clothes, cause they are "the truth"???
if you do, it´s your choice...

When I said "truth" I was referring to girls wearing monkey boots....it has been mentioned on here so many times its getting boring if anyone wants to believe that only girls wore monkey boots (in spite of M-o-M,browniecj ,Mr Knightley telling them that blokes wore them ) then let them believe it ( or anything else that they want to believe ).

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Anyway, a question to the originals:

 

I have never read anything about mods going to football games and yet it appears very much associated with skinheads.  Did it all kick off with the 66 World Cup win? Why did all the skins decide to go to the football when mods – inc. hard mods did not – or did they?  I just can’t quite picture a whole lot of scooters lined up outside a football stadium?

 

Cheers,

 

Mark

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Although I am not an "original",I was going to football matches in the 60s ( with my granddad ) and got a bit involved with football related disorder in the 70s / 80s.

The subject of FV and how it became widespread has fascinated me and there are some books that I have that trace incidents of  large scale disorder way beforeSkinheads,Mods or even Teds.

I am sure that some working class Mods went to football matches,there was very little to do with leisure time compared to now for working class people ( no golf,scuba diving,parachuting,stag weekends in mainland Europe etc etc ).

Of course when Skinheads came along they still went to football but because they banded together in groups and behaved in an aggressive way trouble ensued...a couple of factors need to be considered,people were not always expected  to work on Saturdays by this time so that they had time to travel,also travel became easier British Rail specials,motorway travel starting and clubs organising coaches....more away fans more aggro.

That's a very simplified view ( and its all IMO ),read the posts by roytonboy and Pressure_drop on this thread for excellent first hand accounts of those days....

BTW one well reported incident happened at the end of 66/67 season West Ham Utd v Manchester Utd....Bob the Badger has mentioned this match and the trouble...the Mile End Mob were involved,I had a book called Red Army Years and one Manchester lad gives his account of the day and how shocked he was when he first saw West Ham fans with short hair,pink button downs,braces and faded jeans...( sorry if I have misquoted the book its been a few years since I read it ).

IMO that game could be said to be the "real" start to what went on for years after,others will have different opinions I am sure.


Edited by cerneabbas - 10/14/13 at 11:45pm
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Mods used to go to Football and there was violence in the Terraces then.In `65 it was reported that a hand-grenade(a dummy) was thrown on the pitch(near the Goalie)during the Brentford v Millwall Match-at Griffin Park.In `66,a Coin was thrown and it hit a Millwall Player during the QPR v Millwall Game.Always been trouble with West Ham and Millwall since Football began......smile.gif
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

Mods used to go to Football and there was violence in the Terraces then.In `65 it was reported that a hand-grenade(a dummy) was thrown on the pitch(near the Goalie)during the Brentford v Millwall Match-at Griffin Park.In `66,a Coin was thrown and it hit a Millwall Player during the QPR v Millwall Game.Always been trouble with West Ham and Millwall since Football began......smile.gif

I totally agree,there were incidents even before the 60s and some clubs already had reputations as dodgy places to visit,and certain fixtures were notorious....but when Skinheads started going to football in groups I think that incidents were expected at most games....as long as the away supporters made an appearance.

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

When I said "truth" I was referring to girls wearing monkey boots....it has been mentioned on here so many times its getting boring if anyone wants to believe that only girls wore monkey boots (in spite of M-o-M,browniecj ,Mr Knightley telling them that blokes wore them ) then let them believe it ( or anything else that they want to believe ).

Lighten up mate - it was a joke . I never saw any blokes in those ugly things myself just little teenage birds and much later than the OG period but i bow to your superior knolwedge as i was a mere pup .

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