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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post


I sort agree with Cearnabbas Mike but only sitting here in hindsight..if that makes sense? ..because the skinhead style was fashion for the originals...moving on too Beagle Collars, Tank tops, Budgie Jackets..was just a natural progression...I did not think well thats the end of me being a skinhead..I never gave it a thought.
Looking back and that dawned on me around 77 when i got married how awful the cloths was post 71....by 79 I and many other ex Skinheads started to wear Brogues Harringtons and BD Shirts once again and have carried on to this day, me that is.smile.gif

Just to add when i started to wear Ivy cloths in 79 ..i did not think i was a skinhead again..and was also unaware that their was a skinhead revival..I did see Bone Heads about but i just thought they was Punks.

Roy, in a funny kind of way, your post says to me that you do understand the point im making.

I fully understand what you mean by hindsight, i just think that has to be put to one side, and the period and it's clothes discussed so we can get a good picture of the whole story.

 

If i posted up a pic of, i dunno, a pair of stacks for example, most comments would be along the lines of, rubbish/i never wore that, a little bit of detail would not go amiss imo, surely the attitude/approach/eagerness of buying those clothes was not any different, to what was being bought a few years previous.

 

Bear in mind that what i've posted was off the back of casuals being discussed, and disagreements surrounding the term northern soul, both very interesting, but here?

 

I made another post regarding fashion from a design point of view and when it reaches saturation point, i wore a lot of the clothing mentioned as a kid, and i know what it led to, trousers could not get any wider, hair could not get any longer, and collars no more pointed and lethal looking, as a young un there was only one way for me to go, same for countless others, backwards.

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Originally Posted by Basset View Post

Roy, in a funny kind of way, your post says to me that you do understand the point im making.
I fully understand what you mean by hindsight, i just think that has to be put to one side, and the period and it's clothes discussed so we can get a good picture of the whole story.

If i posted up a pic of, i dunno, a pair of stacks for example, most comments would be along the lines of, rubbish/i never wore that, a little bit of detail would not go amiss imo, surely the attitude/approach/eagerness of buying those clothes was not any different, to what was being bought a few years previous.

Bear in mind that what i've posted was off the back of casuals being discussed, and disagreements surrounding the term northern soul, both very interesting, but here?

I made another post regarding fashion from a design point of view and when it reaches saturation point, i wore a lot of the clothing mentioned as a kid, and i know what it led to, trousers could not get any wider, hair could not get any longer, and collars no more pointed and lethal looking, as a young un there was only one way for me to go, same for countless others, backwards.

I also agree with you Mike...In 71 I wore my old Skinhead suit too my Brothers wedding ..but could not wait to get it off..So I could put on my Beagle shirt, Bags, and leather bomber jacket, not sure what type of shoes i wore though.
As i have said its only looking back that i now know i looked ridiculous.

In saying that Girls looked much more sexier in this period.
Edited by Lasttye - 9/21/13 at 5:43pm
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I might have started the latest discusions on Northern Soul and Casuals, Mike, I even bought up New Romantics haha!!
What you say about clothing styles in the 70's, when we were kids, is bang on and I never thought of it like that, fashion as the 70's progressed was dire and you can see why by the late 70's, some people must of been looking back towards a smarter look, hence the Skinhead and Mod revivals, I think that's what Jerry Dammers was thinking with 2tone and most of the lads and girls in the early stages, were smart or tried to emulate the smartness of what had passed 10 years earlier, I didnt really know there was a revival going on in 79 as a 12 year old, I just wanted to look like Chas Smash from Madness and my brother, who is 7 years older than me and was into Sham 69 and Punk, as well as Skinhead Reggae and 2 tone went it came along and then early Oi!, and as I can remember, was as smart as any of the photos I've seen of original Skinheads. I think everything started going over the top, with 14 hole Martens and shorter hair and t shirts after about 81, but even In the mid 80's we tried to look the part, if I could of still got Brutus and all the decent clobber then, I would have bought it, we made the best with what we could get, there was no eBay or charity shops to speak of, there were second hand shops, but dropping on anything decent was unlikely, not round here anyway and as I remember it the real bonehead look, ie, bald heads, skin tight jeans, black MA1's or lookalikes and heavy politial views was more towards the end of the 80's.... a lot of 80's Skinheads did look shit, but then, from what I've seen, a lot of originals did to
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Sorry I can not quote at the moment as my computer is messed up,but I thought to add a couple of thoughts re your comment Mike.
Hindsight makes the post smooth period ,very cringe worthy to most I would think ,because it was such a radical change to the previous few years.
The look was modeled on the unisex.Stagewear of Glam Rockers,everything exaggerated but made believable by Budgie.Seeing him totter around in flapping denim jeans as flared as a Biba bird was possible for a lad on the street.This in my mind made it,as Roy says,a natural progression.In all these things,one thing that can not be underestimated or ignored is the power of retailer persuasion.What is in the shop windows is what sells.What is in the photo shoots one week is,in the shops very soon.if that helps pull the birds,then that is a risk worth taking.Mod/ Skin/Suede was not really that different from menswear as we had traditionally seen for many years before.Slight adjustments and appropriations here and there,but still r recognizable as menswear.It could be said that the Hippies were the early adopters of unisex,but they didn't have a coolness that these 70's lads about town had.i am embarrassed to admit how I ridiculed a classmate for his blatant admiration of Roxy ,while I was late to the party,still clinging on to protectively to an increasingly distasteful Northern scene.The musical soundtrack is so important to the style,be it Jazz,Soul,Ska,Glam,Funk or Punk.They all hold the hand of a dandy.it may not look pretty to you now,but think of how it looked to your parents then.A huge proud sigh of relief spread out along the South coast as my Dad caught me getting my leg over in 76.up to that point I am sure there were latent concerns as to which way I was heading.My jeans were more like my sisters and I was spending more time in front of the mirror than a drill Sgt would allow a platoon.Funny how just a few years earlier he thought I might be heading for Borstal by the way I dressed.
I have written earlier bout this period and how in my opinion you had to take it the whole way or not at all.Half measures were obvious and looked it.To me the boot boys were like my school reports of the day....."tries hard sometimes,but doesn't quite make it"
I have no regrets about any of it,except maybe not having a smartphone then:D
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Originally Posted by con man View Post

I might have started the latest discusions on Northern Soul and Casuals, Mike, I even bought up New Romantics haha!!
What you say about clothing styles in the 70's, when we were kids, is bang on and I never thought of it like that, fashion as the 70's progressed was dire and you can see why by the late 70's, some people must of been looking back towards a smarter look, hence the Skinhead and Mod revivals, I think that's what Jerry Dammers was thinking with 2tone and most of the lads and girls in the early stages, were smart or tried to emulate the smartness of what had passed 10 years earlier, I didnt really know there was a revival going on in 79 as a 12 year old, I just wanted to look like Chas Smash from Madness and my brother, who is 7 years older than me and was into Sham 69 and Punk, as well as Skinhead Reggae and 2 tone went it came along and then early Oi!, and as I can remember, was as smart as any of the photos I've seen of original Skinheads. I think everything started going over the top, with 14 hole Martens and shorter hair and t shirts after about 81, but even In the mid 80's we tried to look the part, if I could of still got Brutus and all the decent clobber then, I would have bought it, we made the best with what we could get, there was no eBay or charity shops to speak of, there were second hand shops, but dropping on anything decent was unlikely, not round here anyway and as I remember it the real bonehead look, ie, bald heads, skin tight jeans, black MA1's or lookalikes and heavy politial views was more towards the end of the 80's.... a lot of 80's Skinheads did look shit, but then, from what I've seen, a lot of originals did to

I'm was a 11 year old in '79, also a newbie to this thread/site (and internet in general). I am also guilty of talking of casuals and certain slack and cardigan manufacturers, not knowing the ropes. Not having known the original zeitgeist of '69, only the flared, double-knit, Ban-Lon, Crimplene, Trevia purgatory that was the mid '70s, I was so thankful for the new wind that seemed to blow through Southall in late '78 with the coming of 2Tone/Ska/Mod and Skins(yes various waves of them HT) revivals.1979 was the first year I was allowed to buy my own clobber and choose my own barnet style. So the Lionels and the mullet was given the FO. I went straight down to Acton on the 207(an 11 year old would not be allowed to go to the end of his street nowadays, let alone catch the bus on his jacks and buy himself some gear from a boutique), got myself a pair of claret/blue(big clue there) Tonik stides and a black BS. Then straight back to Leister's shoes to get a pair of Frank Wright two-tassle loafers and then down to 'Bernie the Butcher' under John Colliers on Southall Broadway to have a number 3. Only to return home to have my old queen have a shit-fit at my transformation and call me a 'bone-head'. All I know is I felt released from annoying hair, itchy clothes and felt like me, for once in me life. So excuse my initial over-enthusiasm and over-posting for someone that's found like-minded-style folk. Folk, I'll never probably meet, but learn interesting stuff from. I never knew that much about Suedeheads or Smooths, but this thread has taught me loads. I was a 2Tone Skin, then a Mod, then a Hard-Mod by default because me hair fell out. Now I rock the 'Ivy League' look because anything Trad makes other people cross the street because I look too scary.

I've had 20 years of walking about with people commenting, "What you all dressed up for mister ?" Where I come from, I ain't all dressed up, it's just standards have slipped. So sorry if I've been off-topic. I'll FO back to me hole.

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I keep forgetting you guys are talking about the character Budgie and not the Band Budgie makes hilarious images in my mind.

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Edited by Inks - 9/21/13 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

Trilby hat,gingham shirt,boots,trousers worn short....maybe we have missed the Swiss influence on the Skinhead look ?

Braces. You forgot to say 'braces'.
post #15054 of 17776
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Originally Posted by con man View Post

I haven't got the original 45, I'm going off a double album sleeve, I purchased in 86, called The Northern Soul Story 2
it states, I'm Coming Home In The Morning, Lou Pride 1970 Suemi Records.....of course this is a compilation Album, produced 16 years after it says this particular song was originaly produced...and could be a mistake

I'm sure I saw a Lou Pride discography somewhere that gives it as 72. But no matter, it's academic. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Basset View Post
 

No you're not, if you think that my post was some thinly veiled personal pop at you, then you've mis-understood the point im making.

I used the KK shot as a recent example, there's countless others i could have used.

And as for loads of lads knocking about in the early 70's in clothes they hated, sorry i aint buying that, thats just being selective to fit in with what some wish to wear now.

 

I do understand that you and others no longer like it, fair comment, but that period did happen and was at the cutting edge.

I think it's widely accepted that the smoothie look and all it entailed was the end of the line, every book has a beginning, middle, and end, failure to discuss the ending in any detail, is short sighted, and the story will not be complete.

This post has made me think,am I being selective ? not sure.

I am a few years younger than the "originals" on here,so I really wanted the clothes that they were actually wearing,maybe it was a passing fashion to some but I ( and some of my school mates ) was planning out what I was going to wear and what scooter I would have,the change in fashions left me feeling cheated,it still does .

I remember looking at the button downs,two tone sta prest,brogues etc etc and thinking that's smart...I don't remember those thoughts/feelings about what came after,it was just following the fashion to be "in" ( remember I was 14 in 1972 ).

I can actually remember being in  places and seeing people wearing a certain button down for the first time,what came later just didn't stick in my head.

Another thing that I remember was that we still talked about the Skinhead times,i was always interested when meeting new people in their memories of it.

As I have said before in 1976 I started to do my own thing with clothes and shoes,i still wore some fashion stuff but I would wear loafers or brogues,a button down etc etc as I wanted to.

You have to ask yourself why lots of us don't want to wear anything that came after Suedehead now,i know you will say that we came to dislike it and I say that  some of us never did like it.

By 1977 you would have had a job to find jeans that weren't baggy or flares in Bristol ( when punk came along the local paper had a diy article on how to cut baggy jeans into narrow leg ones !) by 1979 I doubt if any shops were selling anything but narrow leg jeans....

I never liked the "look" post 72 but I actually came to hate it,i didn't like the punk look but at least it helped to kill off the "70s" look and allowed people to move on.

I actually think that a lot of people would have liked a Skinhead revival in 73 or 74,but I suppose that there  had to be a gap.

You may say well if you liked the look so much how come you don't go the whole hog and dress skinhead/suedehead now ? well I think that as a style  it was a teenage thing, but as I have said many times on here there are many items that I do/can wear.

I hope that this makes some sense as I thought that your post was good ( thought provoking ) and you are right it needs talking about....sorry about using the word "actually" so many times !

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When i was a kid, i was fascinated by David Bowie, T.Rex, and Roxy music. My older brother and sister was listening to them. I had no clue then and didn't knew Bowie, Bolan, and Brian Ferry were former mods. I didn't knew either that Glam was some sort of a last evolution for former skinheads. And when i saw skinheads in England in 1979, i said at least this is new ! This is the look of my generation. As i already said, not being English, i only discoverered later that skinhead originated in 1969. Anyway, From 1979 on there was no turning back, i could not stand anymore the look of my former Glam heroes. Cut my hairs, change my clothes. 

But finally, as i evolved to a smarter look, at the same time that i discovered Trojan records, i have to admit today that the suedehead look is far less provocative/innovative than the (bad taste) Glam look. And i totally agree with Gsvs5 when he states:"Mod/ Skin/Suede was not really that different from menswear as we had traditionally seen for many years before" and with Cerneabbas when he says: " well I think that as a style (skinhead/suedehead)  it was a teenage thing, but as I have said many times on here there are many items that I do/can wear."

 

Any idea of who is this Bowie fan, on a 1973 photo ?

 

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Edited by Clouseau - 9/21/13 at 11:17pm
post #15057 of 17776
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post
 

I'm was a 11 year old in '79, also a newbie to this thread/site (and internet in general). I am also guilty of talking of casuals and certain slack and cardigan manufacturers, not knowing the ropes. Not having known the original zeitgeist of '69, only the flared, double-knit, Ban-Lon, Crimplene, Trevia purgatory that was the mid '70s, I was so thankful for the new wind that seemed to blow through Southall in late '78 with the coming of 2Tone/Ska/Mod and Skins(yes various waves of them HT) revivals.1979 was the first year I was allowed to buy my own clobber and choose my own barnet style. So the Lionels and the mullet was given the FO. I went straight down to Acton on the 207(an 11 year old would not be allowed to go to the end of his street nowadays, let alone catch the bus on his jacks and buy himself some gear from a boutique), got myself a pair of claret/blue(big clue there) Tonik stides and a black BS. Then straight back to Leister's shoes to get a pair of Frank Wright two-tassle loafers and then down to 'Bernie the Butcher' under John Colliers on Southall Broadway to have a number 3. Only to return home to have my old queen have a shit-fit at my transformation and call me a 'bone-head'. All I know is I felt released from annoying hair, itchy clothes and felt like me, for once in me life. So excuse my initial over-enthusiasm and over-posting for someone that's found like-minded-style folk. Folk, I'll never probably meet, but learn interesting stuff from. I never knew that much about Suedeheads or Smooths, but this thread has taught me loads. I was a 2Tone Skin, then a Mod, then a Hard-Mod by default because me hair fell out. Now I rock the 'Ivy League' look because anything Trad makes other people cross the street because I look too scary.

I've had 20 years of walking about with people commenting, "What you all dressed up for mister ?" Where I come from, I ain't all dressed up, it's just standards have slipped. So sorry if I've been off-topic. I'll FO back to me hole.

 

Don't FO back to your hole and do keep on posting...its good to see posts from people of different ages and from different areas and see how their journey got them here .

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roytonboy.Great post as always.Sorry gents about the "Northern Soul" bizness.That was a particularly myopic day for me (the full moon and all) It's not a big deal.My problem is i talk about music as a musician,objectively and my perception of these associated musics is sometimes in conflict with the fans who are/were dancin to them.As for the late suedehead/smooth transition,I think it's a worthwhile discussion as it is the END of the story and every story needs an end(like con man said already)  The Above Photo is Obviously the late and tragic Sid Viscious.  I also thought you was talkin about the Fantastic Welsh band Budgie.

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Sid Vicious is the correct answer. He was a big Bowie fan, what he denied when he became a punk. The photograph was shot at a David Bowie concert in London, 1973.

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Sorry not con man but Basset "every story has a beginning,middle and end"  Ubuntu that sounds like a good combo.If I saw you in the Caf I would know right away what you was up to.Gettin to 1000 pages was like climbing a Mountain.But now I can see we aint at the top and there is more to come.

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