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post #14671 of 19271
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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post
 

 

Unless your parents were very rich how could a schoolboy sport the same 'ahead of the game' smutter  as a working lad ? a decent  sheepskin was roughly £25 in 69 . My paper round was paying me under two pounds a week then .. no possible way to save up that sort of dough . Even more important is that young kids would not have known what was IN or Out until it filtered down from the older lads let alone have the pull to influence fashion.

Between 15 and 17, and still at school, I had a MTM Tonik mohair suit, a MTM Prince of Wales jacket and a MTM pair of mohair strides. I had a Baracutta Harrington, Crombie overcoat (no sheepskin because my mates beat me to it and I wasn't going to copy them and play catch up). I wore Bass Weejun loafers, DM's ,Royals. Ben Shermans (no Brutus shirts because they were cheaper). I could go on. Nearly all my mates dressed the same with half of them at work and half still at school. We didn't do paper rounds because the money was shit but we worked on building sites or Fords shutdown during school holidays and not paying any tax we earned enough for our clothes and entertainment. Working a Bank Holiday was treble time. Sundays was double time and Saturdays was time and a half pay. I spent every penny and I hardly gave mum any money for housekeeping. It amazes me now thinking of the clothes I bought whilst still at school, but many did the same. Living in and around London you had access to well paid jobs full and part time.

No one I know carried a camera around with them. As has been said photos were taken on Holidays and at Weddings. For a few years me and my mates went down to Torquay for long weekends and I don't have one photo from then. So I don't have photo evidence of clothes I wore. I did find, in the loft, however some receipts for clothes that I bought back then and that surprised me.

Life was good for many working class people in the late sixties and early 70's. I would go further and say It was better than it is today for many people but the ruling elite don't want the people to know that.

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I always thought anyone under 13 in say 69 cant really say they was a skinhead...I mean i was 12 in 66 I remember the Mods...as a canvas...but not the finer details... I was not there in the clubs and pubs..but would sit on the wall watching my older brother with his mates and Mod Girls....But we never really knew what went on.

So my point is its impossible for a twelve year old to have any sense of what really went on.....at Thirteen it is a little different say with the cloths, football etc, ...but again....you had to be in the pubs and clubs..drinking, fighting and trying to pull birds.

Also agree with Bob The Badger....I got my first job...at about Thirteen in Mr Patels Supermarket,biggrin.gif....I then got a job in a Spanish Grocers...I would fiddle on the till and was earning more money than when i actually started full time work in 69,biggrin.gif I got my first suit bespoke made, soon after starting work ..You paid a deposit and paid 10 bob a week until it was paid off.

I remember getting my Royals...and had to stay in over the weekend as i had blown all my money on the shoes.. and paying me Mum my keep then ..subbing it back so i could get out...Happy days ,smile.gif
post #14673 of 19271

good info,last year there were no shows going on during our stay unfortunately btw, Nurnberg was where my wife was born,thanks

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post #14674 of 19271
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Originally Posted by con man View Post

I didnt say all were bullshitters, I said one.
I think the honest answer would be, that most Skinheads, would only have been a young lad or girl, that was into it, for no more than 6 months to 2 years and couldnt be arsed to get their picture taken. It is the same with the two tone generation of 79/81, there were thousands of them, but you see very few photos, because it only lasted a maximum of 2 years. It was over before it started.
I have all due respect for the early Skinheads, my initial question was, if you had all this finery (Clothes} why no photos?
It was then stated that cameras were to big and yes this might be the case, but that doesnt account for the photos that are out there.
I never said that people should have carried them around and gone to night clubs with them, others said they didnt do that and I understand that.
But if someone says that they had all this top notch gear and you had to be one step ahead of the game, yet were only 15 in 1972 making them just 12 in 1969 and more of a Mod than a Skinhead, how can he be ahead of the game when he was a Mod and 12, (and Mod had its heyday in 64, making him 9 years old then), surly if he's a Mod in 69, he is well behind the game and as a 12 year old who had all this fine, top notch clothing, maybe mummy and daddy bought it for him, but by the time he would have left school and been able to afford to buy his own, it would have been 73.
So the question was, where is the photographic his evidence of all this finery, could he not have got his parents to take one, in all his spendiferous glory, that he is so proud of and so proud of telling everyone on here.....I smell bullshit!!! .....even if no one else does

Just thinking about the photos of me that are on this thread:

A few were taken by mates of mine at college who were into photography. At least one was taken by someone from IT for Yell, but never used. One was taken by a seaside photographer in Margate. A handful were taken by my mum during a visit by 'Cockney Bob' (but don't forget she hated my mod/skinhead clothes so she wasn't going to snap me all that often). One was taken by a German press photographer.

Apart from that, as had been said, no one carried a camera around with them.
post #14675 of 19271
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

No one back then would dress up and think fcuk me.. i look the bollocks...Mum take a pic of me before i go out....Mum would have said Roy get a grip,biggrin.gif

My mum would have made a face like something smelled bad and tell me I looked dreadful! biggrin.gif
post #14676 of 19271
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

Half the photos of original Skinheads are of MoM ..The Face of 1969....He must of had his own personal Photographer following him around,biggrin.gif
The other face is Bunty's Brother...MoM both Skinhead Icons.smile.gif

I'm laughing so much it's hurting, Roy! Anyhow, see above, mate. biggrin.gif
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Photographer,Agent and a bloody posse of Minders, following him about!!! biggrin.gif

Oh stop! Stop! I can't fcuking breathe! rotflmao.gif
post #14678 of 19271
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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post
 

 

Unless your parents were very rich how could a schoolboy sport the same 'ahead of the game' smutter  as a working lad ? a decent  sheepskin was roughly £25 in 69 . My paper round was paying me under two pounds a week then .. no possible way to save up that sort of dough . Even more important is that young kids would not have known what was IN or Out until it filtered down from the older lads let alone have the pull to influence fashion.

 

That is true about the sheepskins cost being out of reach for most,young and old ,and I've never claimed to have one.You are not right  about needing to be older to suss what's In or out.That's a regional thing and  most followed what was going on in their local area.Being ahead of the game,didn't neccessarily mean ahead of London or Birmingham,it is in your own area as styles moved around the country.It also didn't have to cost a lot of money.It could be determined by how you wore something,the width of your trousers,the width of the rib on a jumper etc.

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last year there were no shows going on during our stay unfortunately btw, Nurnberg was where my wife was born 

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post #14680 of 19271
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Originally Posted by con man View Post
And now you live in a self important fantasy world, telling everybody how it was back then and making up little stories as you go, because you believe everyone is hanging on to every word of your self indulgent monotonus crap.

 

Nothing is "Made Up" Con man.If it's monotonous crap to you ignore it.It may seem like that to a kid who wasn't around in those days.I understand that.

 

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My guess is, you were never a Skinhead, you called your self a Mod, because you did not have the bottle or you wernt allowed to have your hair that short or wear the clothes.

 

I've already said I never cropped my hair.Like you,I wear what I like and what I think suits me.I wore the clothes.

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Originally Posted by con man View Post
And one thing that really made me laugh, you said, that you had to one step ahead of others ( or some such nonsense ).....yeah, you were that far ahead you were calling yourself a Mod in 1969, getting your shoes from Grattons catalogue and not a well known well established quality shoe shoe shop and you were only 12 at the time and no 12 is ahead of the game, unless mummy and daddy are rich.

 

Read the Forum and my posts.The Riding Tack,Chapel Market,Oasis,Shoreditch etc.etc.No rich kid I can assure you.

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Most Stoke fans in the 70's would of heard of the Coddy Hughes incident, but you hadnt and had to refer and quote from a football hooligan book.
You did mention one local Skinhead gang but not heard of the rest and one of them is really well known locally from the 60's right through to the present day.

As I've said before,I stopped following Stoke after 1972.I quoted where I heard his name for the first and only time.It said it was 1978.I wasn't even working in England by 78

For fucks sake?

As you said,"One of them is really well known locally"

 

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Originally Posted by con man View Post


And as for Stoke City, you say the Waddington years were hard to watch, funny that, because every true Stoke fan from back then, says they were the greatest years and we have had few enough of them.

 

That's why they stood in the rain at night chanting Waddington Out.I don't think you were there? Football fan are a fickle lot.

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Originally Posted by con man View Post
You are correct about Will ( buttons ) having met him myself a number of times, in real life at various Skinhead nights up and down the country, he lives and breathes it and his knowledge is of that period is far greater than yours and yet he was born in 1970, when you were ( supposedly ) in mid flow, of your Skinhead, sorry Mod, times.
 

 

That's obvious, and I respect him,his knowledge and his commitmen.If I'm so wrong about so much then he can put me straight.

 

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Originally Posted by con man View Post
Gsvs5, Northern and Midland Skinheads called themselves Mods, well thats odd, everyone I have spoken to, called themselves Skinheads.
Correct me, if I'm wrong, you were 12 in 69, how the hell would a 12 year old, know what was being worn in the pubs and clubs.

 

Speak to MOM

It was everywhere.On the street ,Football,youth clubs.etc etc

post #14681 of 19271
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Originally Posted by con man View Post

And one final thing and you have contradicted yourself....you say, you heard of the Trent Vale Skins, back then.... funny that they would give themselves that name if they all reffered to themselves as Mods

 

That's how everyone else reffered to them.

post #14682 of 19271
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Originally Posted by con man View Post
I'am done conversing with you, prefering to talk to the real originals and anyone from any decade there after and from any country who has lived it for real or still does.

 

Great.Now lets hear what you have got to say as historically correct,first hand,positive input that might enhance the book.

post #14683 of 19271
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Originally Posted by gunboxes View Post
 

last year there were no shows going on during our stay unfortunately btw, Nurnberg was where my wife was born

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Welcome to the thread. Sorry to hear that there were no shows last year,interesting about your wife being born in Nurnberg because I went there once it has a nice castle.

post #14684 of 19271
I have had Three Tailors all named George.. a Indian, a West indian and a Greek..it seems all tailors are called George.

My first suit was made by George a Indian Lad on the Kilburn High Road....George was a lovely bloke. on a Saturday it would be full of Skinhead Boys and Girls..either getting measured up or just hanging around..it was like a meeting place...George didn't mind..these was the days when a Asian could not walk down the High St of any town...But George was known..and would pop in the pub for a pint with us.

I remember the day i was to be measured up..it was a saturday ..the place was chaotic....I thought hope he don't fcuk it up..George measured me up....I never said the style i wanted as i never really had a clue...he did ask me what length of trousers i wanted, and that was it . I had a couple of fitting still not knowing whats going on..again the place was chaotic. anyway the day came to pick the suit up...a Dark Blue Black Dormeuil Mohair...at the time i was unaware of the significance of the Dormeuil label..I was given the sample book to look through..and left to chose.

I cannot express that feeling putting that suit on walking up the Kilburn High Rd..Getting a suit was a massive occasion...everyone knew you was picking up your suit...and everyone was nearly as excited as you, You get too the Pub and everyone is around you admiring your new suit. ...
Looking back the two suits i had made by George was the best i have ever had...I now have Six bespoke suits..not one of them are anything near as good as my original suits....A few years ago i went over to George in Walworth Road and had a Dark Blue Dormeuil suit made like my first suit.....I have had it altered twice and in the end completely rebuilt....this is George Threadneedleman..Tailor to
Celebrities...fcuking rubbish.

I just don't know where my two original suits went ...by 71 ...i could not care less..maybe Mum throw them out with all my other Skinhead clobber that i was so proud of only a few months before,biggrin.gif

Thats teenage fashion for you.smile.gif

post #14685 of 19271

Lasttye..I reckon that's true of a lot of people with fashion,they just move onto the next one.

con man was asking about the suits from Adam of London,i was looking at their website and I like the look of some of it,whats your opinion of there stuff ?,I think you said you have been there.

I drove up to Bicester outlet centre today ( I thought it was a bit disappointing ),but I saw those Churchs Graftons that flyfronted put up a picture of,now I thought they were a lot better in the pictue than in "real life"...there was some plains in there and some toe cap derbys that were sh1t hot IMO,real nice heavy ones.

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