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post #14611 of 19158
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

"Safeguard" sounds familiar ( was it used on suede shoes as well ? ),I am sure I remember hanging my sheepskin on the washing line and spraying it....Also seem to remember adverts in the dry cleaners for specialist sheepskin cleaning and protection..getting the coats cleaned was expensive..
We were talking about it last night,sheepskins weren't unusual then,even though they were expensive but you rarely see them now,i don't think that leather coats or jackets seem as popular these days either ( only talking about what we see here,and comparing it too what we saw in the 70s ).
Just had a look online there was a site called Garment Spa...£60 to clean a sheepskin coat !.

Yes it was a Spray for Leather and Suede-originally for Shoes.

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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post

I stood on the bus back then browniecj.Nothing was going to get in the way of the knife edge crease in my whistle.

I recall a mate (who was very capable of handling any abuse) walking around with sellotape stuck to the side of his face ,so as to stop his hair curling up as it dried !

Any means neccessary would be used to stop your hair getting wet and messed up.Hat's were not as prevalent as they are today. 

That's a funny thing about the Sellotape.`65 and the Fashion was for Mod Fellas to have a kind of "Kiss Curl" on the sides of the Head.I used to sellotape the sides-this would have my two Sisters and Mum in stitches..smile.gif.I also used to ask my eldest Sister to dry the Hair with a dryer,whilst back-combing it with a brush.She would then put a lot of Lacquer on to keep it place.It would feel like wire-but it stayed there.If it rained,grab an Evening Paper and put it over the head(if it rained unexpected).A Tanner well spent...smile.gif
post #14612 of 19158
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Originally Posted by con man View Post

No disrespect to anyone and please correct me if I'm wrong, but apart from Man of Mystery, there seems to be a lack of photos of anyone on here wearing all this finery that you all say you wore, back in the day. Most Mods and Skinheads, I have met, from any era loved having their photo taken.

You could not walk about a Club with a Camera,for two reasons:-

1. It could be nicked(as explained before,they were expensive).
2.A lot of Skinheads were "Camera Shy"-for obvious reasons.
post #14613 of 19158
So I'm guessing all the photos that are out there and there must be thousands more, that will eventually surface, they must of all been done on big fcuk off cameras that were that big, you needed a tripod to hold them steady haha!!
I'm 46 and although only a nipper in the late 60's early 70's' I remember me dad having a camera and it wasn't a big fcuk off thing and he took loads of photos, by then cameras and photography was getting cheaper and affordable, there were a few small electronic cameras on the market. And I'm no expert, but I think you will find Kodak Instamatic first came out In the early 60's :-) (Wickepedia is amazing)
And by 1980, not sure they got any bigger or smaller, we are only talking a matter of ten or so years
Whilst I agree, that you would be on pins about getting a camera nicked in a nightclub, you could still say the same about Iphones and other smart phones of today, yet thousands of photos are taken every week in nightclubs etc.
Don't believe that, that many Skinheads, back then were camera shy, why?....most would of been 12 to 18 years old and while some might of been involved in serious criminal activity and some might of thought, that they would like to be part of the criminal underworld and listened to Al Capone and watched gangster movies, I doubt they were on a par with The Krays and as for football, this was before, the police used videos
I agree that devoloping photos probably would have been expensive,especially colour, my dads got loads of us from back then and most are black and white.
I was born in 67 and can remember some things from the early 70's and slide show projectors are one thing that I can remember
Edited by con man - 9/10/13 at 1:48pm
post #14614 of 19158

con man...Sorry but I am going to disagree with you here,if your 46 then you were 2 in 1969 ? you got an amazing memory if you can remember how big cameras were then !

A lot of families would have had someone who was a bit of a "photographer",there was even cine cameras back then,but they were expensive and there was no way you were going to take them down the youth club or to the seaside for bank holiday malarkey.

If you look about the internet you wont find a massive amount of photos of original skinheads compared with how many skinheads there were.

I remember seeing signs at football grounds saying that taking pictures was not permitted ( football league had the rights ? ).

I definitely remember queing at the Tote end ( Eastville ) and a tv crew being told to fcuk off as we didn't want to be on the telly ( I was only a kid myself )you didn't want your parents seeing what you were up to,and the neighbours were bound to tell them.

Like I said I can remember Chris Brown ( Pressure_Drop) from school and football and if he hasn't got any photos then why should anyone else ?.

We were talking about this tonight and the first camera that I had that would fit in your pocket was a disc camera early to mid 80s,back in the early 70s a camera was still quite expensive compared to a phone camera now,you can get a cheap phone with a reasonable camera for £30 ? ( alright not a top notch phone but the cameras ok and easy fits in your pocket ).

Why are all these photos going to turn up ? after people have died they just get binned,i haven't got many photos of me over the years,i just don't keep all that stuff...I had my picture on the front of the paper at football and I haven't even kept the copy...

One other thing,i do have one photo of me mid 70s at football,monkey boots,wranglers with turn ups,suede bomber jacket and a scarf, am I going to put it up on the internet ? am I fcuk..I don't want my picture stuck on some weirdos bog door !

post #14615 of 19158
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Originally Posted by con man View Post

So I'm guessing all the photos that are out there and there must be thousands more, that will eventually surface, they must of all been done on big fcuk off cameras that were that big, you needed a tripod to hold them steady haha!!
I'm 46 and although only a nipper in the late 60's early 70's' I remember me dad having a camera and it wasn't a big fcuk off thing and he took loads of photos, by then cameras and photography was getting cheaper and affordable, there were a few small electronic cameras on the market. And I'm no expert, but I think you will find Kodak Instamatic first came out In the early 60's :-) (Wickepedia is amazing)
And by 1980, not sure they got any bigger or smaller, we are only talking a matter of ten or so years
Whilst I agree, that you would be on pins about getting a camera nicked in a nightclub, you could still say the same about Iphones and other smart phones of today, yet thousands of photos are taken every week in nightclubs etc.
Don't believe that, that many Skinheads, back then were camera shy, why?....most would of been 12 to 18 years old and while some might of been involved in serious criminal activity and some might of thought, that they would like to be part of the criminal underworld and listened to Al Capone and watched gangster movies, I doubt they were on a par with The Krays and as for football, this was before, the police used videos
I agree that devoloping photos probably would have been expensive,especially colour, my dads got loads of us from back then and most are black and white and I can remember the slide how projecters.
I was born in 67 and can remember some things from the early 70's

We have gone over this before....I don't remember anyone coming out with a camera even the girls...as others have said on here..weddings, and holidays...or maybe sitting on a wall outside your home...also photo booths that you may walk past ..
Its funny but i don't think anyone was that interested....I mean if people was you would have thousands of photos about but you don't thats proof.
Also I would never carry anything around bulging out me pockets ...maybe a cut throat razor down me trousers,wink.gif
post #14616 of 19158
con man-Are you a wind up merchant - Seeing as you were only 2 in `69,how the fck would you know what was going on,or what people did in Skinhead circles?Another "Johnny Come Lately".
post #14617 of 19158
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

con man-Are you a wind up merchant - Seeing as you were only 2 in `69,how the fck would you know what was going on,or what people did in Skinhead circles?Another "Johnny Come Lately".

Sussed him after a couple of post ago,rolleyes.gif
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One thing, I do know what camera me dad had, like you say they were expensive, so he didn't just through it away after a couple of uses in 1969 now did he, had it for a few years after.
let's get another thing straight when the hell have I said, I knew what the fcuk, what was going on in Skinhead circles back then.
Just asking, if you lot were wearing all this fantastic clobber back then, I would have thought you might have some photos of it, that's all.
If you think I'm wind up merchant, then tough shit!!
If I have ruffled your feathers by starting a bit of a debate, seriously, there's no need to through your dummies out of the pram.
And I ain't no johnny come lately either, I got into it in 1979 and apart from 5 years between 88 and 93, have kept my hair cropped and wore the clothes and gone gigs and skinhead reggae/ska , northern soul and mod do's and still do, In fact was at one just last weekend, sounds and pressure in Nottingham, if you want to know my credentials ask anyone who knows me, my name is Conrad.
And Roy, you ain't sussed me!!!
Edited by con man - 9/10/13 at 3:34pm
post #14619 of 19158
Try and find phototos from any group pre mid 70's and you'll have a hard time.Most members of any youth cult are school kids,student and the unemployed who have limited income and are more interested on spending the little they have on clothes,booze and fags.Photo development was (relatively) bloody expensive and so cameras were used for weddings,summer holidays and family get together s.The quality of the average photo also left a lot to be desired from the old instamatics.The shit you can take now with an iPhone was only available with a Nikon back then.
post #14620 of 19158
If no one was interested in taking photos back then, it's strange that more and more are beginning to surface, only tonight, I have seen one of Skinheads, said to be early 70's Margate on Facebook.....where they carried the huge fcuking camera is beyond me, must of put it in one of them tartan shopping trolleys like what me nan, used to wheel around everywhere, don't know how the hell I remember that trolley, seeing how she had in the early 70's
post #14621 of 19158

Here is a fantastic photo from 1967 of Mods at The Twisted Wheel.

 

It is the main image used in the book about the club.

 

However great I think it is personally,the quality leaves a lot to be desired.

 

That it was used as the main image for such a publication confirms to me the rarity of quality images and subject matter of this period.

AppleMark

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This is me and if anyone sees me out about, come and say Ay up and I'll buy you a drink
post #14623 of 19158
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Originally Posted by con man View Post

One thing, I do know what camera me dad had, like you say they were expensive, so he didn't just through it away after a couple of uses in 1969 now did he, had it for a few years after.
let's get another thing straight when the hell have I said, I knew what the fcuk, what was going on in Skinhead circles back then.
Just asking, if you lot were wearing all this fantastic clobber back then, I would have thought you might have some photos of it, that's all.
If you think I'm wind up merchant, then tough shit!!
If I have ruffled your feathers by starting a bit of a debate, seriously, there's no need to through your dummies out of the pram.
And I ain't no johnny come lately either, I got into it in 1979 and apart from 5 years between 88 and 93, have kept my hair cropped and wore the clothes and gone gigs and skinhead reggae/ska , northern soul and mod do's and still do, In fact was at one just last weekend, sounds and pressure in Nottingham, if you want to know my credentials ask anyone who knows me, my name is Conrad.
And Roy, you ain't sussed me!!!

Well read all of the Posts,then you would have read the reasons about photos etc.,were not about.You go off about me saying about Skinheads being "Camera Shy".For whatever reason they were they were.For many years I was,I did not hang around with the Krays or any of that bollocks.Bear in mind though I was older so were a lot of others so Pubs were our drinking holes.You mixed with all types.You have the same attitude as a lot of 2nd Wave Skins that you have been one for many years,so I like dressing not too old fashion-so maybe I have been a Mod for the last 45+ years.Debate is a debate but only going by hearsay from one side is not one,in my book.No toys have been thrown out of this Pram.

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This is me and if anyone sees me out about, come and say Ay up and I'll buy you a drink

I have seen you dancing with your Missus(at various Dos),so I know who you are Conrad.Like you I was at the Sound and Pressure(not the last one though)Nottingham Do and the Margate Weekender this year.I still get out and about so yes I will come up and say hello.
post #14624 of 19158
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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post

Here is a fantastic photo from 1967 of Mods at The Twisted Wheel.

It is the main image used in the book about the club.

However great I think it is personally,the quality leaves a lot to be desired.

That it was used as the main image for such a publication confirms to me the rarity of quality images and subject matter of this period.
AppleMark

When I saw that Photo I was gob smacked(when I bought the Book).At exactly that same time I was wearing a No.4 and plain Colour Mohair Suits.It seemed to me that a huge tidal wave had gone across Britain and Mod had become united.Great Photo though pity about the quality.smile.gif
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I remember being in the Market Square,the main meeting point in town,I am guessing it was around 68-69. I saw a group of lads that I knew who were a few years older than me,friends of my sisters.They were dressed exactly as above - all in suits,no jeans,which was odd on a Saturday afternoon.They looked astounding.They were all off to Manchester that evening.
it wasn't unusual to see lads with a suit jacket ,jeans and a tie on at that time,but a complete suit made an enormous difference.
Not a criticism of you con man,but I never recall seeing anyone wearing black shirts with a suit and tie back in the old days.Is that a style that became popular with later generation,or was it something I missed earlier on?
I know I have been critical in the past of how dark the colors worn by later generations have been compared to my own recollections.
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