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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post
 

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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post
Agree, The Skinheads was the first post War cult that had no interest in anything other than Violence, Football, and Cloths, they was also the first cult that did not have its own music, skinheads had no impact on the rest of society, like the Mods, Punks etc did, they also had no interested in politics. Skinheads came and went in a flash.


You know, this is probably the first time I have ever looked at it this way. We were a culture to ourselves. We didn't look outside. We were a sub-culture, if you like. We took no great influences from outside (apart from a bit of the mod ethos maybe) and we had no great message for anyone on the outside. We were who we were, we did what we wanted to do. I guess you could say we were self-absorbed.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 I've thought about this and agree with the above.At the time when you was 14-17 maybe you didn't have an outward effect on the wider culture but when those skinhead  Kids got a little older they did.

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Gsvs5, I found that post quite thought provoking..Like something you mentioned in a previous post about the Solatio shoes being exciting and fresh at the time..do you think that could be why the Suedehead look died,because people became bored with it ? maybe it was too much of a uniform look and that stopped people from being creative with their image ?...Or is it just that fashions change and that most people are happy to follow them and move on ?......Clouseau...as usual i agree with your post,football replaced religion ( for a lot of people ) as their opium a long time ago.
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post

Very interesting post, Mr Gsvs5. 

It's true that when you are young you want to belong to a group, like you say to "fit in". And you can really be happy within, and become "self absorbed". 

But one day you realize that you fit in a "case" pre-determined by the society, and that it is really difficult to go out of this case, even if you work hard. Like you said, sometimes it is a rude awakening.

The class system expects you (and your group) to stay in your class/case. And the upper classes take advantage of it. And even if we all love soccer and fashion, it's a way to control us. Football is the "opium of the people", and the clothing and fashion industry makes big money on us. I'm not a socialist at all or into politics, but i'm French, and sometimes i revolt. (A tradition here since 1789).

I have no strong political leanings and don't wish to divert but just remembered something.Our Local Students marched through our town in protest to the Vietnam War.A bunch of us tagged along,chanting US Imperialism Out !We had no idea what that meant.We were just a mischievous skinhead kids jumping on the back of a flat bed truck.It was my first and last protest ,with the exception of chanting Waddington Out! outside the Directors Offices at Stoke.

Years later I felt a little angry at how few people failed to protest wars we have got involved in.We sit back and accept our politicians decisions at face value,exercising little of our freedom of speech.I admire the French Youth for that.It seems that the students in London,the Miners in Nottingham and the Wall St anti capitalists were more angry about thier causes than us going into War ?

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

Gsvs5, I found that post quite thought provoking..Like something you mentioned in a previous post about the Solatio shoes being exciting and fresh at the time..do you think that could be why the Suedehead look died,because people became bored with it ? maybe it was too much of a uniform look and that stopped people from being creative with their image ?...Or is it just that fashions change and that most people are happy to follow them and move on ?......Clouseau...as usual i agree with your post,football replaced religion ( for a lot of people ) as their opium a long time ago.

I'm not sure? I never had kids,and I wonder if they have the same excitement about clothes today? Suedehead seems to have been a natural progression at the time as many of us never ever had the severe crop anyway.Kids were a few years older,probably dating girls and wanting a less severe look when it came time to meet the future in-laws,and didn't need the hassle of being refused entry to places.Although  it was short lived,all of us "Followed" fashion.It's a rare few who start it.We always needed something new,even if it was only a different fabric.remember how exciting Tonik was? At the end of the Sixties we were all English.We then wanted to look French,draping out jumpers over our shoulders.Next it would be Italian...and so on it goes

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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post

I'm not sure? I never had kids,and I wonder if they have the same excitement about clothes today? Suedehead seems to have been a natural progression at the time as many of us never ever had the severe crop anyway.Kids were a few years older,probably dating girls and wanting a less severe look when it came time to meet the future in-laws,and didn't need the hassle of being refused entry to places.Although  it was short lived,all of us "Followed" fashion.It's a rare few who start it.We always needed something new,even if it was only a different fabric.remember how exciting Tonik was? At the end of the Sixties we were all English.We then wanted to look French,draping out jumpers over our shoulders.Next it would be Italian...and so on it goes

Things dont DIE they morph .. Mod into Skinhead into Suedehead into soul Boy into punk ( in many cases ) or Casual .

Remember in 1970 you were old at 25 . 

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Sometimes I do feel old at the young age of 26 when going to shows with all these younger people surrounding me same concept I suppose.

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Sometimes I do feel old at the young age of 26 when going to shows with all these younger people surrounding me same concept I suppose.

I remember going down the Kings Road in 76...seeing all these Punk Rockers..I felt old...I was 22 at the time ..biggrin.gif
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Lasttye...I remember coming up to London 76 or 77,with 3 other Bristol lads in a Rover 3.5 ( a smart motor back then) one lad had borrowed it from his brother.We parked near Stamford bridge as one lad was a Chelsea fan and he wanted the fixture list ( so he could plan his weekends out,no doubt ). We went in the Lord Palmerston pub ( it was a saturday lunch time) and Alan Hudson was in there.Then we went down the Kings road,i was wearing a very unusual pair of loafers ( they had a pattern cut into them,i think its called "tooled leather",like cowboy boots/belts) and i remember this big Londoner looking at them and asking where i got them from.The look on his face when i said in a west country accent " in Bristol mate " was brilliant,i think that he was gutted that he had asked a carrot cruncher about where to get shoes !!..i remember seeing punks outside some of the shops posing...Just remembered that i bought a blue and white scarf in the Chelsea shop that day,i just had a look and i have still got it now !
Edited by cerneabbas - 9/2/13 at 11:30am
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Yeah Cerneabbas tooled leather was very popular here in the states in the 70's it is interesting to hear it made its way over there, a lot of the wallets made in that style are quite cool and people still buy them but I feel one would look kind of silly using one today unless you are of a certain age.

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Sirryacus...The loafers only had the pattern inside the seam on the top of the shoe,i only ever saw them for sale in that one shop in Bristol,they only sold a few mens shoes it was mainly ladies shoes and leather stuff like handbags and belts...I would wear a tooled leather belt with jeans even now,i would also like to find a pebbled leather belt in that walnut colour like the Allen Edmonds Macneil,real leather belts are quite expensive and harder to find here now than they used to be,its all plastic shit and "bonded leather"...Like a lot of "leather" shoes now have got like a plastic coating on them,probably to cover up the poor quality leather ?.
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Yeah its mainly to save money and maximize profits, glue a thin scrap of leather to some synthetic material etc, I've amassed quite a large collection of nice leather belts from the thrift stores around here vintage is the way to go usually but I'm unsure how such markets are there in the UK, I also have picked up some nice vintage tooled leather belts from estate sales.

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

Sirryacus...The loafers only had the pattern inside the seam on the top of the shoe,i only ever saw them for sale in that one shop in Bristol,they only sold a few mens shoes it was mainly ladies shoes and leather stuff like handbags and belts...I would wear a tooled leather belt with jeans even now,i would also like to find a pebbled leather belt in that walnut colour like the Allen Edmonds Macneil,real leather belts are quite expensive and harder to find here now than they used to be,its all plastic shit and "bonded leather"...Like a lot of "leather" shoes now have got like a plastic coating on them,probably to cover up the poor quality leather ?.

 

 

 

These Allen Edmonds belts are nice and go well with the MacNeils and other gunboats.  On the below link there are some that'd go with pebbled leather, but in my opinion the 'brogued' belts go well with brogues regardless of leather texture.  

I have a couple in different colors that match brogues' colors pretty well.  This goes well with the ol' Alden No.8's:

 

http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF74011_1_40000000001_-1

 

 

I also have the walnut colored one that goes well with the old Florsheim Imperials(pebbled grain) and walnut colored smooths.   


Edited by Botolph - 9/3/13 at 7:09am
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Botolph..Thanks for that link...I have looked on the Allen Edmonds site before but i didnt look at the belts !...I have always liked the tooled leather belts in geometric or celtic designs,but you are right the brogued belts are going to match up with brogue shoes better...
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post


Chelsea supporters with their tickets QPR vs Chelsea, FA Cup 6th Round 21 Feb 1970....Chelsea went on to win the Cup.


I recognise a couple of them in the photo. They are QPR. The young lad is holding a programme from the game before, You had to produce these or a ticket stub to get a ticket in your own end. The good old days before databases! Mind you it didn't matter much with Rangers and the mugs because being so local most of us knew each other anyway. Oh how times have changed, when we played them last half their support couldn't speak English let alone come from West London!

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Grove....Welcome,and thats a good first post recognising people in one of the pictures ! ...I agree times have changed some of it for the worse but some for the better ( IMO ),footballs finished for me ( but at 5 on a saturday the radio is always on for the results,and for a few seconds the old buzz is there...strange )...Would that be Ladbroke Grove ? i got off the tube there once on one of my wierder trips to London.
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