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post #1441 of 24873
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Originally Posted by Get Smart View Post
right. Royals was the brand right? I know the brogues were often called "Royals" as well. I've seen a pair of smooths that were made by Royal. And Loake calls their American longwing the "Royal", I'm sure as a reference/homage to said Royals of your time.

You know how names pass into folklore - Crombie, Harrington, biro, hoover, etc - it was the same with 'Royals', which was our name for smooths. Never mind the origin, it simply became our name for plain lace-ups from the Squire Shop.
post #1442 of 24873
I hear you, I've often used the term Royal when talking about the American styled brogues with english guys, since that's what they know them as, and calling them longwings will sometimes bring up confusion.
post #1443 of 24873
On pama forum Michael de Koningh (Door Peeper) shared his youth pics from the attic, when he was a little skinhead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_de_Koningh Both are from somewhere between '70-'72. DJing his reggae selection on the first and a picture for winning a painting competition on the latter
post #1444 of 24873
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Originally Posted by Big Muscle View Post
I'm interested in this. How could that happen when music in clubs was played by black people? Or were there also different kinds of clubs except those with reggae, ska and rocksteady music?

Very interesting thread.
In answer to your question " I saw a programme a couple of weeks ago with Sammy Davies Jnr being interviewd. He stated that when he done shows for the BBC that he wasn't allowed into the BBC bar afterwards as he was black.
Those days were very racist times. Skinheads were no more or less racist than normal people in the street. It was common for guest houses and hotels to have signs in the windows saying "No Blacks"

So yes. Clubs would be selective on who they wanted in. No different i guess to the late 70s early 80s when our local clubs wouldn't allow Skinheads.
post #1445 of 24873
Hello all, on the subject of brogues - MOM do you remember wearing really clumpy brogues (leather soled) ? they were not wing tips, in fact they looked a little like 'kickers', a bit bulbous 'beetle crusher' style, and side-on the toe cap was slightly raised? ('blimey, you all say, they sound shite) I remember a mate having these in the late 70's, and no, they weren't 'special' shoes either..can't find any pictures of them anywhere, where they a revival thing? Somebody will know what they are and they probably will turn out to be hideous but to a 14 year old at the time, I thought they were great.
Been looking everywhere for these, cos anything else looks really silly and dainty on me, what with being 6'2" (end result-Frankenstein's monster)
Queenie, I'm going to do some interviewing soon, gonna grill family for some stories/fashion memories..no good asking my sister because she didn't fancy skinheads at all!!! said they were too hard looking and were lairy. She had some of the clothes and liked the music but went to grammar school where they were all hairy hippies whom she hung about with (I've seen footage of hippies in action at demos in London/Paris1968, and there's nothing soft about them!) Brother and his then girlfriend, now wife were mods/skins tho' so i'm going to post their photos and pick their brains, hope they will be of interest..just got to work out how to scan..etc..
One more question, was it common for lads and all their mates to go to holiday camps in the 60's or was that just a local tradition...?
post #1446 of 24873
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post
I have a feeling these guys must be from the North of England (don't forget it was in '68 I moved from the North to London). Northerners had a rep as "denim boys" down South, and certainly the '67/'68 mod scene I left when I moved had been wearing Levi cords as well as denims. The denim / "jean jacket" look up North persisted well into the skinhead era.

Note that the turn-ups on the jeans are not high. The original idea of turning up jeans was so that they would hang well, and not catch on one's shoes - yet again a "mod" thing (the guy on the right has kinda failed, as his jeans are bunching at the knee). Yes, I think these guys are Northerners.

A thought has come to me. When was it that Levis stopped being "shrink-to-fit"? There was a time in about '66 '67 when mods would buy a pair of Levis a size or two too big, then sit in the bath or wade in the sea with them. It coincided with a time when the wearing of belts went out of fashion with the mods. It occurs to me that it must have been about the same time that someone discovered that clip-on braces would make jeans hang better...

These lads were from Blackpool. I thought that was where you were from.
post #1447 of 24873
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Originally Posted by OHT View Post
If they[williamlennon] have them then you should go for it. It's best to get them while they're in stock. I'm still waiting til JTG or Warrior bring in new shipment for their sta prest trousers(I'm usually a 34 waist but many have told me to size up once or twice if I plan to get their sta prest trousers). They won't have any until Mid February

Oh, I ordered up the ones from lennon last night. And this morning I woke up to an email from JtG that they made a mistake and wouldn't be getting anymore 8eyes in. So I dodged a bullet on that one.
post #1448 of 24873
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Originally Posted by eightdouble View Post
i have heard that lonsdale became popular with racist skinheads because with an unbuttoned jacket on you read the letters NSDA, which is understood to be NSDAP (the same initials as the nazi political party)

and perhaps just carried into fashion from there.

What a load of old rubbish.

Lonsdale was worn pur and simple because its a boxing brand. Before it went totally down market of course.
post #1449 of 24873
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Originally Posted by kmarriner View Post
Oh, I ordered up the ones from lennon last night. And this morning I woke up to an email from JtG that they made a mistake and wouldn't be getting anymore 8eyes in. So I dodged a bullet on that one.

That's good to hear . I wear Grinders since they no longer make Grip Fast. What I don't like about Grinders is that they make this squeak sound so If it's quiet you'll hear them when I walk. I don't recall ever having a problem like that with my Grip Fast. For future reference, Can any1 tell me which boots don't squeak while walking?
post #1450 of 24873
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Originally Posted by bunty View Post
Hello all, on the subject of brogues - MOM do you remember wearing really clumpy brogues (leather soled) ? they were not wing tips, in fact they looked a little like 'kickers', a bit bulbous 'beetle crusher' style, and side-on the toe cap was slightly raised? ('blimey, you all say, they sound shite) I remember a mate having these in the late 70's, and no, they weren't 'special' shoes either..can't find any pictures of them anywhere, where they a revival thing? Somebody will know what they are and they probably will turn out to be hideous but to a 14 year old at the time, I thought they were great.
Been looking everywhere for these, cos anything else looks really silly and dainty on me, what with being 6'2" (end result-Frankenstein's monster)
Queenie, I'm going to do some interviewing soon, gonna grill family for some stories/fashion memories..no good asking my sister because she didn't fancy skinheads at all!!! said they were too hard looking and were lairy. She had some of the clothes and liked the music but went to grammar school where they were all hairy hippies whom she hung about with (I've seen footage of hippies in action at demos in London/Paris1968, and there's nothing soft about them!) Brother and his then girlfriend, now wife were mods/skins tho' so i'm going to post their photos and pick their brains, hope they will be of interest..just got to work out how to scan..etc..
One more question, was it common for lads and all their mates to go to holiday camps in the 60's or was that just a local tradition...?

I hope you can scan the pics soon. I would love to see more original pics and hear stories of what they experienced as skinheads.
post #1451 of 24873
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Originally Posted by bunty View Post
Hello all, on the subject of brogues - MOM do you remember wearing really clumpy brogues (leather soled) ? they were not wing tips, in fact they looked a little like 'kickers', a bit bulbous 'beetle crusher' style, and side-on the toe cap was slightly raised? ('blimey, you all say, they sound shite) I remember a mate having these in the late 70's, and no, they weren't 'special' shoes either..can't find any pictures of them anywhere, where they a revival thing? Somebody will know what they are and they probably will turn out to be hideous but to a 14 year old at the time, I thought they were great.
Been looking everywhere for these, cos anything else looks really silly and dainty on me, what with being 6'2" (end result-Frankenstein's monster) Queenie, I'm going to do some interviewing soon, gonna grill family for some stories/fashion memories..no good asking my sister because she didn't fancy skinheads at all!!! said they were too hard looking and were lairy. She had some of the clothes and liked the music but went to grammar school where they were all hairy hippies whom she hung about with (I've seen footage of hippies in action at demos in London/Paris1968, and there's nothing soft about them!) Brother and his then girlfriend, now wife were mods/skins tho' so i'm going to post their photos and pick their brains, hope they will be of interest..just got to work out how to scan..etc.. One more question, was it common for lads and all their mates to go to holiday camps in the 60's or was that just a local tradition...?
Did they look something like this ?
LL
post #1452 of 24873
http://www.styleforum.net/attachment...8&d=1296690948 btw, can someone explain how i can post pics large, as mine always show as thumbnails.....Cheers.
LL
post #1453 of 24873
I've got a question that's been on my mind for a bit, for those who were around in the 70s...

how likely is it that someone would have first gotten into skinhead between the years of 1973-1976, after the heyday of original skinhead, and before the punk/new breed/oi years? I'm talking a kid around 13-16 years of age in those years (1973-1976) where it kind of died off.
post #1454 of 24873
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Originally Posted by bunty View Post
Hello all, on the subject of brogues - MOM do you remember wearing really clumpy brogues (leather soled) ? they were not wing tips, in fact they looked a little like 'kickers', a bit bulbous 'beetle crusher' style, and side-on the toe cap was slightly raised? ('blimey, you all say, they sound shite) I remember a mate having these in the late 70's, and no, they weren't 'special' shoes either..can't find any pictures of them anywhere, where they a revival thing? Somebody will know what they are and they probably will turn out to be hideous but to a 14 year old at the time, I thought they were great.

I first got into brogues 'up North' in 1967, where they were a fashion item amongst mods. No one brand or style led the way, except that they were usually rounder than the skinhead 'wing tips'. Similarly when I arrived in London in '68 you could see all kinds of brogues, mainly black.

But that's not what you're asking. By the late 70s there were all kinds of shoes on the market with all kinds of stylistic influences, including some with brogue patterns, but personally I never saw any precisely such as you describe.
post #1455 of 24873
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Originally Posted by harrysgame View Post
These lads were from Blackpool. I thought that was where you were from.
Indeed. But as I said in an earlier comment, I don't recognise any of them.
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