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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

flyfronted.Maybe you are right and 82/85 was the height of violence at football,but it had to start somewhere and if Joe Hawkins and lads like him around the country wouldnt have started it,then 82/85 wouldnt have happened.I am glad that those times happened because i enjoyed it then ,i am also glad that its over i would hate for my son and his mates to go through those times.I do think that the style then was the best ever,some people on here will slag the 80s casuals,not me because they wanted to be the smartest of their time but for me the suedehead look was the best.

Casuals were simply kids of the same stock and class carrying on the tradition .

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I wouldn't slag off the 80's casuals, either. I've always seen them as having a strong connection to the 1970 suedehead. They probably went overboard on designer labels and the logo's but the thinking behind their clothes buying was the same as mine, I think.

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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post

I think FV started in England around 1966 / 67 . Your right my boy is now 17 and i would not want him getting his boat slashed just because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time although it seems easier to get beaten up in a suburban town centre on a friday night than outside WHL or Upton park these days .

The united states has never huge culture of organized hooliganism surrounding professional sports individual fights sure but never a concentrated effort, I think a lot of it is to do with the country being so huge that large groups of opposing team fans can't make it to sports events too cost prohibitive, alcohol costs are through the roof at stadiums so most people will not be plastered wanting to fight and public intoxication is not accepted thus police will zero in on you quick and you will be in jail until you sober up and stiffer penalties for causing fights in a venue or around a venue.

 

college and local level sports are another story altogether though as it its easy to get tons of people from both sides at the game due short distances and low ticket prices.

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flyfronted/Bob the badger.I agree casuals were the next generation,they had the same ideas.I once saw a Scottish ex casual being interviewed he said something along the lines that they hadnt just gone to an away game to beat people up or chase them but they also wanted to walk through other peoples streets dressed better than them to totally take the piss.Has the idea of dressing smart changed now ? or is it just that people dont have a clue about how to dress ?.
Edited by cerneabbas - 7/30/13 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

harrysgame,You make some good points there,but i did say in my post 70s,i am only 5 years older than you so in the 60s i was just a boy.I think i went to my first game in 67 or 68,i stopped going regularly about 83 and in the last 17 years i have been to 2 games ( both in Germany,funnily enough) i just have no interest in the modern game or the boring sterile "atmosphere" at games now,these days i am more into my fitness,but thats another matter.You are right IMO the 70s and 80s were very nasty,gradually more police in grounds stopped trouble in the stadiums and violence moved elswhere,this is well known.The point that I was trying to make was how to explain that to young people now ( sorry mate but thats not you and anyway you saw it for yourself by the sounds of it ) also there are young blokes on here not from Britain,how could you explain what you saw at football to them ? or 70s life in general.I tried to say in my post and a later one about tv comedy how different things are now compared with then,attitudes have changed a lot and as you say if you didnt see both times how can you compare them ?.

Fair enough mate. I have no doubt that the original times were fresh and i wish in some ways i had experienced it fully. But i do get tired of some of the originals (for want of a better word) saying that it was always great and anything else is a very poor comparison. We had our time and i for one wouldn't change any of it.
I appreciate that this topic is about the original skinhead days. But some think skinhead ended in 1970. It obviously didnt. smile.gif
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Oh and i know im not young. shog[1].gif
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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post

82 - 85 was the height of organised FV - great clobber , great mates and amazing days of anarchy everywhere .

Agreed, great days. Heysel naffed it up for everyone though.
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Originally Posted by harrysgame View Post

Fair enough mate. I have no doubt that the original times were fresh and i wish in some ways i had experienced it fully. But i do get tired of some of the originals (for want of a better word) saying that it was always great and anything else is a very poor comparison. We had our time and i for one wouldn't change any of it.
I appreciate that this topic is about the original skinhead days. But some think skinhead ended in 1970. It obviously didnt. smile.gif
It did. What you may have experienced was superficially like 1969/70 - but no more. Have you not acknowledged that any fashion must be looked at in the context of its era?
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Originally Posted by harrysgame View Post

Fair enough mate. I have no doubt that the original times were fresh and i wish in some ways i had experienced it fully. But i do get tired of some of the originals (for want of a better word) saying that it was always great and anything else is a very poor comparison. We had our time and i for one wouldn't change any of it.
I appreciate that this topic is about the original skinhead days. But some think skinhead ended in 1970. It obviously didnt. smile.gif

For me to become a Skinhead was a continuation of the Mod years.We set the template for future Skinheads-whether it is liked or not.To see Ben Shermans etc.,coming in new or going to Jamaican Record Shops and buying the Tunes-fresh from Jamaica or London was exciting.Any other times it was second hand. Ok I have not been a Skinhead for 40 years+ but then I moved on.
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harrysgame.I agree with what you say regarding Heysel,looking back now i think with the level of hooliganism at football some kind of tradgedy was inevitable.As i have got older i am intersted in hearing other peoples stories about those days,a couple of years ago i sat next to a Plymouth Argyle supporter the same age as me,we talked hooly related tales the whole flight ( his wife read her book ),funny thing is they were one of our big rivals.I realised after going to England away games and meeting like minded lads that i would rather have a pint and a talk,than a punch up with thelads i met,a bit like on here i suppose.
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Originally Posted by catchourbreath View Post


In the USA you have three options to get solovair
Angry Young and Poor in PA
Bill's Footwear in CA
Solovair Direct appears to be done for, they haven't updated their website since March

They might do custom stuff, but it might be prohibitively expensive.

Pardon me asking, but what are the possibles of getting Solovair in China? I'm not in the United States. I know the things are more than likely made here(or Vietnam, Cambodia or Bangladesh), but that doesn't necessarily mean I can buy them here.
Edited by MikeDT - 7/30/13 at 10:28pm
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

For me to become a Skinhead was a continuation of the Mod years.We set the template for future Skinheads-whether it is liked or not.To see Ben Shermans etc.,coming in new or going to Jamaican Record Shops and buying the Tunes-fresh from Jamaica or London was exciting.Any other times it was second hand. Ok I have not been a Skinhead for 40 years+ but then I moved on.

I don't think either brownie or I would be disrespecting anyone if we said that this is just the way it goes. Revivals seldom get that close to how it was in the time of an 'original' phenomenon. Maybe they have a buzz of their own - in fact I'm sure they do - but it's never exactly the same. Sometimes [like with the Sieg Heil crowd] it's almost unrecognisable.

I think also that a lot of us who were in our late teens by 1970 left off being mods/skinheads because of the sudden influx of everyone's kid brother, and even they didn't quite 'get it' in our eyes. If they didn't, what chance would later revivals stand?

Mind you, older mods had probably thought the same about us, as has been pointed out already in this thread.

Thank heaven for the knowledgeable enthusiasts. You know who you are. smile.gif
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Man-of-Mystery.I can see what you mean about the younger lads at that time not getting the look right ( probably through lack of money ) because i would have been one of those lads.I also think that you would have moved on as you reached a certain age anyway ? after all skinhead/suedehead was "teenage fahion" surely ?,i think that if a much older man in 70/71 would have dressed in skinhead clothes he would have been ridiculed and probably sectioned under the mental health act ( no care in the community back then ).Contrast that with the poor old chap that i saw dressed as a Teddy boy the other night blue drape jacket,drainpipes on his canary thin legs,hardly any ( white )hair left and horrible sideburns,he really looked sad and pathetic.Sometime you have to let go,even if you look back on your era as a golden one IMO.
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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post

I think FV started in England around 1966 / 67 . Your right my boy is now 17 and i would not want him getting his boat slashed just because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time although it seems easier to get beaten up in a suburban town centre on a friday night than outside WHL or Upton park these days .

 

Spot on - Football violence as we understand it. There are reports of Manchester United fans bricking the Bolton Wanderers team coach on it's return journey from winning the cup final in 1958.

 

My son did get involved - though never when he was with me. (though I had to physically hold him back one night on his cousin's stag do 'cos someone was gobbing off). This was when he was aged between 16 and 18 but he calmed down when he got a steady girlfriend ...... any of this sound familiar? ....... during this time he was just as concerned with dressing and looking the part as we had been, but obviously the styles of his time..... Stone Island, Burberry etc. So many parallels to my experience. As we don't live near Manchester now (he never has) he did his stuff with Wrexham so he could go with his local mates. It would be quite amusing to hear them talking about different 'firms' - BBC at Sheffield Wednesday, only to have me say "No, that's Sheffield United" and they would all go quiet - who else's Dad knew all about this? In the end my lad would ask me! "Dad, have so and so got much of a crew?" as if I was supposed to know 30 odd years later. One fortunate by-product of this was I would sometimes be lecturing a quite 'challenging'  group of students when they would make the connection with the name and ask was he any relation - I would say, "He's my son" and after that they would all be as good as gold!


Edited by roytonboy - 7/31/13 at 2:33am
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Well said M.O.M.and cerneabbas. One thing I think this thread does is work out what of the old style always works,even today and still look good.For Teds it's tuff.Mods and Skins got it easier with the mainstream acceptance of certain pieces abundant today.

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