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Mod to Suedehead - Page 924post #13846 of 244807/22/13 at 10:46amClouseau.I think that i saw those Alphas with hoods 30+ years ago in a shop in London,they have a zip on the hood so that it splits in two pieces ? looks like the cold weather parka but shorter with a flight jacket bottom ? if it is then i dont like them either..I have been looking for a good longwing brogue for a long time now,i looked for Cheaney Picadilly but i could not find them so maybe they are old ones.I have seen online Cheaney Romney and Euston they looked good but i could not find anyone near that stocked them,i also saw online Barker Haven but again cant find anyone who stocks them.What chance to find a nice Allen Edmonds Macneil or a Florsheim Imperial in a size 10 UK ?,i can name a dozen American firms who made longwings,but i really got tired of looking so i went for the Bexley...at least you can find them,mine didnt arrive yet but i am looking forward to seeing them.post #13847 of 244807/22/13 at 12:48pmMike - your old man would have worn what we called 'Bumper boots' - navy blue canvas high ankled baseball boots with a white rubber protruding roundel on the outside and a white rubber toecap - think they were about 2/6 from Woolworths or Keith Poples.
The start of the Smoothie era saw us ditch our DMs (and Monkey Boots!!) in favour of the 'must have' Onitsuka Tiger boots - which were an upmarket version of the Bumper boot - the outer skin was nylon and the rubber toecap replaced with a suede one, they had thick soles and came in a myriad of colours - white, red, blue, bottle green and were incredibly popular, they were sold in bright yellow canvas bags. To be honest I'm surprised no other lads have mentioned them as I certainly remember seeing London lads wearing them so it wasn't just a Bristol thing.post #13848 of 244807/22/13 at 3:03pmQuote:Originally Posted by Pressure_Drop
Mike - your old man would have worn what we called 'Bumper boots' - navy blue canvas high ankled baseball boots with a white rubber protruding roundel on the outside and a white rubber toecap - think they were about 2/6 from Woolworths or Keith Poples.
The start of the Smoothie era saw us ditch our DMs (and Monkey Boots!!) in favour of the 'must have' Onitsuka Tiger boots - which were an upmarket version of the Bumper boot - the outer skin was nylon and the rubber toecap replaced with a suede one, they had thick soles and came in a myriad of colours - white, red, blue, bottle green and were incredibly popular, they were sold in bright yellow canvas bags. To be honest I'm surprised no other lads have mentioned them as I certainly remember seeing London lads wearing them so it wasn't just a Bristol thing.
Thanks for the info mate, my memorys from that time are very hazy, always good to have
the gaps filled in.
As i mentioned i wore the black and white jobs with the red piping.
Interesting how you went from Martens/ Monkey boots onto the Tigers, i did the same late 70's early 80's, but the baseball boot of choice at that time was the 99, mine were black and white, bought from Timpsons in the center, around 81 i thinkpost #13849 of 244807/22/13 at 3:19pmQuote:Originally Posted by Clouseau
Cerneabbas, exactly, just a matter of personal taste! it is true i think MB are quite ugly, but i have got a pair...
Still thinking about buying a MA-1 (it must be middle age crisis) and i saw on the net an Alpha model with a hood and a kind of jersey lining included ! this is ugly !
About MA-1, i am thinking of buying maybe a different make than Alpha, but still a classic, plain blue Bomber, with no logo if possible, and at a reasonable price.(had Alphas in the time, sage green and black, some of my mates had Concord, both brands were licensed by the USAF, i think). Well for a change, what about Knox armory, Schott, Avirex, or Cockpit USA. Any advices or experiences ?
Basset. i have got some Loake royals too, and i think like you they look quite good, but they are too stiff, not comfy.
My old Church's are the most comfortable brogues i ever had, they are not longwings but semi brogues. Church's did longwings in the time, but i think it is over(?). A friend of mine got the Cheaney longwings for a long time. They look great, had a good cost performance ratio, and are very comfy. Mr Lastye posted a picture of his, they are the same (except color). they are called Picadilly, but i don't know if they are still produced.
By the way i heard a long time ago that Cheaneys were made by Church's, kind of an "undermake" to sell cheaper quality shoes, but i don't know if it is true. Maybe someone here Knows ?
Agree with you regarding the Loakes mate, i've had them a fair while now, there's just no give in them
3/4 hours in them and me feet and ankles are done in, a mate had the soles built up on his, there unwearable now
I've got a pair of Church's smooths, different story, i can wear those all day and night, very comfy.
It's a shame that most of the well known British shoe manufacters dont currently produce a decent looking longwingpost #13850 of 244807/22/13 at 11:53pmQuote:Originally Posted by roytonboy
My first ‘derby’ match, Manchester City v. Manchester United, 1969.
I can still recall vividly my first derby match in November 1969 – I was 14 and sporting my second 'crop'. I traveled to the match on the 24 bus to Manchester, then by ‘football special’ from just off Piccadilly to Maine Road. I went with David Porter, a Shaw lad who was in my class at Royton and Crompton School. At 14 we were very much the ‘wannabe’ skinheads and were really up for it. I remember Dave announcing to the whole of the top deck of the bus, who were all United fans, that they had better not come into the Kippax! They were not impressed and we did the 100 metres from the bus stop to the stadium in well under 10 seconds! Inside, the ground was packed with over 63,000. In those days ‘segregation’ consisted of a line of coppers between the rival fans and the Reds were squeezed into about a quarter of the Kippax. I remember pushing our way through the City mob, looking for familiar faces, when I saw a red and white scarf. Puzzled, I looked up to see who was wearing it. A skinhead girl of about 17 had it hanging from a belt loop and on seeing my expression, without taking her gaze off me, she casually lifted it up and blew her nose on it! At that time the back of the Kippax terrace was full of hundreds of City's skinhead supporters for every home game but for the match against our local rivals this number was swollen as everybody would turn out and there were crops in every direction.
The entire match was played with the sound of coins, stones and bottles hitting the roof and the girders. At one point the lad next to me suddenly jerked his head and as I turned I saw that a sharpened coin had cut right through his top lip. The match ended 4-0 to City but Francis Lee had scored a goal right on half time, which we had not realised hadn't counted. It sounds crazy now but we thought it was 5-0! We walked back to Manchester, feeling on top of the world, shouting up at the buses and banging on the windows of cars with Reds in them, spreading our fingers –“5-0”. I remember feeling disappointed we had not seen some ‘action’ as this would have rounded the day off perfectly (emphasis on the word ‘seen’!) as there were thousands of likely lads on the streets. (Newspaper reports the following day mentioned some fighting but on this occasion we didn't see any). When I got home it was straight round to all my mates houses to see how the day had gone for them. Derek Smalley had mistakenly gone into the United part of the terracing and had had his head cut open by a can thrown by a City fan. He said the United fans had been really good in helping him get medical attention – if only they had known!
OK. folks, just thought I'd chuck that one in as a response to Ed's post, though Elwood, I suspect you'll enjoy it too! As cerneabbas has stated, this was a big part of the skinhead experience back in 1968/72 and, like him, I have plenty of these stories. Between 1969 and 1973 I would go to a match
every Saturday afternoon. If I couldn't get to see City playing away I would go to Oldham Athletic or Rochdale, wherever there was likely to be some 'excitement'.
I am keen, however, to dispel any image that may be starting to form that I was some kind of nut job or even hard case who was there simply to cause trouble as that would certainly not be true, As with many of us back then, it was all about being there, looking the part. Of course, if you were there, looking the part then inevitably you would sometimes get involved with what went on. 'It went with the territory' as they say. I would say, for many of us, the link with following a football team was pretty fundamental to the skinhead experience - I didn't know any skinhead lads who didn't do it. Yes, we we interested in clothes and style, we certainly loved our soul music, but when we met up at the local Soul Club on a Sunday night, the main topic of conversation was where you had been on the Saturday afternoon and what you had got up to. I may post another tale or two should they be relevant some time in the future.
Another great post roytonboy, and as you expected I did enjoy it.That was my first derby match, too. I think I posted a few recollections about it a little while back. I certainly remember the primitive segregation and the flying sharpened pennies bouncing down onto the crowd off the Kippax roof. (Pre-decimal pennies were pretty weighty and a dangerously "handy" size for throwing.)post #13851 of 244807/23/13 at 12:09ampost #13852 of 244807/23/13 at 8:17amRe: duffel coats - though they were never a part of my life - here's a Japanese "Ivy' take on them. (And some pics.)
(If you look on the 'wax wane' link and scroll down the pics, I do believe there is a pic of some 'bumper' basie-type shoes/boots, too.)
Edited by Ed Vaughan - 7/23/13 at 8:43ampost #13853 of 244807/23/13 at 10:42ampost #13854 of 244807/23/13 at 10:44amQuote:Originally Posted by el norte
Not sure if this has already been on here before - Roger Cook radio documentary on the Tilbury skins from 1980 for anyone interested. http://soundcloud.com/keeponrocking1960/tilbury-skinheads-documentary
Same media claptrap-from the Sun.Mind you Tilbury needs some shaking up-it is a sh*thole.post #13855 of 244807/23/13 at 10:57ampost #13856 of 244807/23/13 at 12:37pmpost #13857 of 244807/23/13 at 6:06pm
Pheeewww... went home to Scotland on holiday for two weeks (experienced warm weather in the UK for the first time in years!) and it's taken me a week to catch up!
Lot of interesting stuff about trainers/pumps etc, great contributions from everyone.
Back here in San Francisco I stopped in to the Allen Edmonds shop to look at/try on the Macneil longing to compare it to the Alden. It's a nice fit and a decent shoe but I still think I prefer the Alden. In burgundy shell cordovan it's only slightly cheaper than the Alden cordovans also. However, the nice man in the shop told me that if I can wait til September, they will be doing a "back to America" promotion of 15% off anything made in the USA. If anyone is looking at the Macneils that might be worth checking out. 15% off a $550 shoe is a decent saving.
Cheers...post #13858 of 244807/23/13 at 7:30pmQuote:
If I recall correctly,I was talking to the kid in the Cheaney shop (Picadilly Arcade?) and he said that the Family who owned Church's had sold the company and had taken over Cheaney and were planning to "UP" the brand level.I happened to be looking for a particular pr of Monkstrap "Wincle Pickers" that I wouldn't have been seen dead wearing 40yrs ago ,but now I fell in love with.post #13859 of 244807/23/13 at 7:46pmQuote:Originally Posted by Basset
Had a look on Google images, some of the Converse and Flyer one's look similar but not the same.
I cant recall any brand or logo on them, but im sure there was some sort of detail, on the rubber ankle things,
although i may be getting mixed up with the ones i wore later.
Sorry not very helpfull i know, middle age makes my brain ache sometimes
I'm pretty sure this was the brand we wore,but in white.Upon reflection,I'm not proud of this !post #13860 of 244807/23/13 at 8:20pm
Best I can tell they are the exact same thing as I mentioned which were originally made to be Basketball shoes, that Rucanor brand seems to favor PF Flyers more than anything, we usually don't call them baseball boots or anything like that here in the states but they do seem to be associated with kids playing backyard baseball especially in the 50's and 60's so perhaps that where the UK terminology comes from?
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