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Clouseau.I have been thinking about your post this morning about the loden/crombie coat and buying a classic coat ( or shoes).I understand your point and in some ways i agree,but i am looking at that coat as a coat not as a Loden coat or a "crombie",so now i can say do i like that coat or not?. My girlfriend agrees with you about the buttons and if it was definitely a Loden coat i would agree that they should be showing,but it is not a Loden so  does it matter ?.About the crombie raincoat,i thought that the pocket flaps were a good idea on a raincoat (stops rain going into pocket ) maybe the top pocket is not such a good or practical idea ?.I like to look at clothes or shoes and say to myself do i like that ?,i dont want to put myself in a style box where i can only wear this and i can not wear that.An example ,one of the blokes on here sees some brogue boots that he likes,he puts up a post "did any originals see brogue boots worn ?",the answer from everyone is no,so now he can not wear them because he wants an authentic skinhead look.Now that is not for me,i saw some black brogue boots and i thought they would look good with Prince of wales check or grey trousers and a white button down so i bought them.I know that many will not agree with me,but i said before about updating and twisting style to a man of my age today,this is all IMO and not intended to upset anyone else.


Edited by cerneabbas - 7/22/13 at 5:09am
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Afternoon everyone just quick question 44years ago this was daily mirrors head lines 'A man on moon' and of course not just English news paper but most around the world.
Just wanted to no if the USA Astronauts was a Inspiration to a short cropped hair cut for some of you's on here?
Cos many people say this was where the style of cropped hair cut come from!
But I've seen a Quiet a few pics from 68 with lads with a no4 crop!

Cheers mr TT
(P.s that's a original press of that news paper I picked up this year for £3! bargan in my eyes!haha)
post #13833 of 19333
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

I always liked monkey boots, they looked and felt lighter than most boots at the time, and round our neck of the woods we never thought of them as girls' boots.

Yep,the same here.
post #13834 of 19333
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Originally Posted by Mr twist tag View Post



Afternoon everyone just quick question 44years ago this was daily mirrors head lines 'A man on moon' and of course not just English news paper but most around the world.
Just wanted to no if the USA Astronauts was a Inspiration to a short cropped hair cut for some of you's on here?
Cos many people say this was where the style of cropped hair cut come from!
But I've seen a Quiet a few pics from 68 with lads with a no4 crop!

Cheers mr TT
(P.s that's a original press of that news paper I picked up this year for £3! bargan in my eyes!haha)

Mr.twist tag,I had my No.4 in 1967 so no influence whatsoever.
post #13835 of 19333
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Originally Posted by catchourbreath View Post

Here in New York, you see most "workwear" being worn by people who wouldn't know manual labor if it hit them in the jaw.

Absolutely true.The Carhartt craze 10 years ago was very annoying.

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
I like to look at clothes or shoes and say to myself do i like that ?,i dont want to put myself in a style box where i can only wear this and i can not wear that.An example ,one of the blokes on here sees some brogue boots that he likes,he puts up a post "did any originals see brogue boots worn ?",the answer from everyone is no,so now he can not wear them because he wants an authentic skinhead look.Now that is not for me,i saw some black brogue boots and i thought they would look good with Prince of wales check or grey trousers and a white button down so i bought them.I know that many will not agree with me,but i said before about updating and twisting style to a man of my age today,this is all IMO and not intended to upset anyone else.

I was an original in 69 aged 15 and I loved the clothes style and did not want it to end and wore it for a few years after 71 but then had to start wearing what was the fashion or otherwise I would have looked odd and would not have been able to pull the girls as they wanted their lads to be up with fashion

 

Having said that the style has never really left me but I would not wear braces and half mast jeans or strides in my 60th year because I would look and feel a fool

 

I wear what is subtle but still in the traditional feel.  I have several pairs of DM dealers, quite simply because I like them, that look good with straight leg jeans (no turn up).  I wear BD shirts but not particularly Ben Sherman as the quality is nothing like those back in the day.  Polo shirts, Royals, loafer type boat shoes (without laces and holes round the sides), 3 button 2 piece off the shelf suits etc are worn as normal.

 

I do not spend lots of money on clothes now and compared with the original skinhead era its meagre.  I think what I am trying to say is that if you were from that time you should not feel that you have to dress as you did from that time.  It has passed and you are not be the same person you were then - too many things would have occurred in your life.  But its good to retain the same standard of that style.

 

I have met, through this thread, guys that are in their 30s and 40s who dress in the original style and in astounding detail and know more about the clothes back then than me - and I was there!!  But they are into it because they have seen it and have chosen to get involved.  Us original did not really choose - that was what was happening at the time and if you were not part of it you were not in or simply left behind, and when the fashion changed you moved on with it.  Some of us did not want to move on - but had to be forced into it.

 

I suppose in some ways that's why its very enjoyable to be able to read and comment on here with people who were either there or have found an interest in that time and from all parts of the country and even abroad

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Originally Posted by Mr twist tag View Post



Afternoon everyone just quick question 44years ago this was daily mirrors head lines 'A man on moon' and of course not just English news paper but most around the world.
Just wanted to no if the USA Astronauts was a Inspiration to a short cropped hair cut for some of you's on here?
Cos many people say this was where the style of cropped hair cut come from!
But I've seen a Quiet a few pics from 68 with lads with a no4 crop!

Cheers mr TT
(P.s that's a original press of that news paper I picked up this year for £3! bargan in my eyes!haha)

Hello Mr Twist Tag

 

That was a great event for mankind etc but back then it did not make any difference / influence to what we were up to

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Aces and Eights.A very good post,it explains what i think in many ways,you have used that word "subtle" in a post about this before and it is a key word IMO.I have to say that i like reading what other blokes around my age think is suitable style wise,i am not saying that i will go off and buy everything mentioned,but it is funny that i agree with so much of it.I am also glad that i found this forum and i have learnt quite a bit from the posts on here,from ice hockey related bother in the USA/Canada to the style of French skinheads in the 80s and from the Mile end mob to John Smedley knitwear.
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Cerneabbas, in a precedent post about the coat you found on eBay, i told you that even if it was not a "proper" loden it looked good. So i was just expressing my general opinion about coat styles, and that was personal. i am quite a classic guy in matter of style. The good thing on this thread is that we feel free to express ourselves, about a peculiar subject, even if we disagree sometimes. You seem to be an open minded person, i apreciate. And if you like that coat, go for it !

Mr Twist Tag. Good picture. I like the details : the newspaper, the model kit, and the nice pair of vintage Hawkins Astronauts boots.
About the man on the moon, was five at the time and remember seeing it on TV with my family, like if it was yesterday.
Edited by Clouseau - 7/22/13 at 2:10am
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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post

AppleMark

 

C&J Boots and Florsheims all 20+ years old.I photographed these to show how little the shape has changed.The two pr of boots( back-right) are slightly chissel toed.They are Paul Smith (made by C&J) when he was carrying more traditional styles and all English shoes at the time.I still need a great pair of Loafers though.....baldy[1].gif


Thats some nice looking footwear, the smooths bottom right in particular

tbh i need a nice pair of Brogues, got a pair of Loakes Royals which look ok, but there the most uncomfortable shoes i own

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Originally Posted by Sirryacus View Post

I believe the story goes the norwegian guy was influenced by the native american moccassin and sort of combined it with elements from a local norwegian shoe from his village, but didn't become popular until an american G.H. Bass not sure if it was the name of the guy or his company started making them under the Weejun label.

 

What is this baseball boot that everyone is speaking of? Do you guys mean Converse Chuck Taylor, P.F. Flyers and Pro Keds type canvas sneakers?


Had a look on Google images, some of the Converse and Flyer one's look similar but not the same.

I cant recall any brand or logo on them, but im sure there was some sort of detail, on the rubber ankle things,

although i may be getting mixed up with the ones i wore later.

 

Sorry not very helpfull i know, middle age makes my brain ache sometimes laugh.gif

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Clouseau.I understand what you say  about classic styles and i agree. Maybe a good topic would be the worst thing we have seen done to a classic style,i have seen a "harrington" with a hood, and a"harrington" with body and sleeves different colours,both crap ideas IMO.I understand that style is a personal preferrence,for instance you find monkey boots ugly and although i dont find them beautiful i dont find them ugly either.

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Cerneabbas, exactly, just a matter of personal taste! it is true i think MB are quite ugly, but i have got a pair...
Still thinking about buying a MA-1 (it must be middle age crisis) and i saw on the net an Alpha model with a hood and a kind of jersey lining included ! this is ugly !
About MA-1, i am thinking of buying maybe a different make than Alpha, but still a classic, plain blue Bomber, with no logo if possible, and at a reasonable price.(had Alphas in the time, sage green and black, some of my mates had Concord, both brands were licensed by the USAF, i think). Well for a change, what about Knox armory(cheaper Alpha, i fear the quality), Schott, Avirex, or Cockpit USA. Any advices or experiences ?

Basset. i have got some Loake royals too, and i think like you they look quite good, but they are too stiff, not comfy.
My old Church's are the most comfortable brogues i ever had, they are not longwings but English brogues. Church's did longwings in the time, but i think it is over(?). A friend of mine got the Cheaney longwings for a long time. They look great, had a good cost performance ratio, and are very comfy. Mr Lastye posted a picture of his, they are the same (except color). they are called Picadilly, but i don't know if they are still produced.
By the way i heard a long time ago that Cheaneys were made by Church's, kind of an "undermake" to sell cheaper quality shoes, but i don't know if it is true. Maybe someone here Knows ?
Edited by Clouseau - 7/25/13 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

M-U... MUF... MUFC - OK!

MUFCOK!!! happy.gif

 

 

 

My first ‘derby’ match, Manchester City v. Manchester United, 1969.

 

I can still recall vividly my first derby match in November 1969 – I was 14 and sporting my second 'crop'. I traveled to the match on the 24 bus to Manchester, then by ‘football special’ from just off Piccadilly to Maine Road. I went with David Porter, a Shaw lad who was in my class at Royton and Crompton School. At 14 we were very much the ‘wannabe’ skinheads and were really up for it. I remember Dave announcing to the whole of the top deck of the bus, who were all United fans, that they had better not come into the Kippax! They were not impressed and we did the 100 metres from the bus stop to the stadium in well under 10 seconds! Inside, the ground was packed with over 63,000. In those days ‘segregation’ consisted of a line of coppers between the rival fans and the Reds were squeezed into about a quarter of the Kippax. I remember pushing our way through the City mob, looking for familiar faces, when I saw a red and white scarf. Puzzled, I looked up to see who was wearing it. A skinhead girl of about 17 had it hanging from a belt loop and on seeing my expression, without taking her gaze off me, she casually lifted it up and blew her nose on it! At that time the back of the Kippax terrace was full of hundreds of City's skinhead supporters for every home game but for the match against our local rivals this number was swollen as everybody would turn out and there were crops in every direction.

The entire match was played with the sound of coins, stones and bottles hitting the roof and the girders. At one point the lad next to me suddenly jerked his head and as I turned I saw that a sharpened coin had cut right through his top lip. The match ended 4-0 to City but Francis Lee had scored a goal right on half time, which we had not realised hadn't counted. It sounds crazy now but we thought it was 5-0! We walked back to Manchester, feeling on top of the world, shouting up at the buses and banging on the windows of cars with Reds in them, spreading our fingers –“5-0”. I remember feeling disappointed we had not seen some ‘action’ as this would have rounded the day off perfectly (emphasis on the word ‘seen’!) as there were thousands of likely lads on the streets. (Newspaper reports the following day mentioned some fighting but on this occasion we didn't see any). When I got home it was straight round to all my mates houses to see how the day had gone for them. Derek Smalley had mistakenly gone into the United part of the terracing and had had his head cut open by a can thrown by a City fan. He said the United fans had been really good in helping him get medical attention – if only they had known!

 

 

OK. folks, just thought I'd chuck that one in as a response to Ed's post, though Elwood, I suspect you'll enjoy it too! As cerneabbas has stated, this was a big part of the skinhead experience back in 1968/72 and, like him, I have plenty of these stories. Between 1969 and 1973 I would go to a match every Saturday afternoon. If I couldn't get to see City playing away I would go to Oldham Athletic or Rochdale, wherever there was likely to be some 'excitement'. I am keen, however, to dispel any image that may be starting to form that I was some kind of nut job or even hard case who was there simply to cause trouble as that would certainly not be true, As with many of us back then, it was all about being there, looking the part. Of course, if you were there, looking the part then inevitably you would sometimes get involved with what went on. 'It went with the territory' as they say. I would say, for many of us, the link with following a football team was pretty fundamental to the skinhead experience - I didn't know any skinhead lads who didn't do it. Yes, we we interested in clothes and style, we certainly loved our soul music, but when we met up at the local Soul Club on a Sunday night, the main topic of conversation was where you had been on the Saturday afternoon and what you had got up to. I may post another tale or two should they be relevant some time in the future.

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roytonboy.Another great post,i like the bit about not knowing the right score,typical of those crazy times.The girl blowing her nose on the United scarf,classic..Standing there with coins and stones getting chucked in your direction wasnt fun but it did get the adrenaline flowing.I bet that lots of blokes ( and girls ) went because thats what skinheads did and not because they enjoyed it,they would remember it differently to us !.
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