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I think the shirt looks good.Just curious why your having these shirts made.Is there nothing on the market you could buy that would be comparable? You mentioned a 1965 version.Is that something you can't get today? Just looking for details.

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Originally Posted by Ivyskin89 View Post

Final Prototype before production. Any thoughts, comments, criticisms are appreciated.

AppleMark

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

Buttons.A coincidence that you mentioned shorts and trainers,because i have been looking for a pair of "retro" trainers online this morning.I always wear trainers or steel cap boots at work and when the suns out its shorts because of the heat where we are working.I know that trainers have been mentioned on this thread before but i think its worth asking people who were about in the 60s/70s when they first saw them? I remember very early 70s a lad at school who was a good runner ( middle distance and cross country ) had some but only for running in not streetwear.I have seen plenty of sites that mention trainers as Mod wear,but i would be interested if the blokes on here remember that.On days like we have had this week i wear cargo shorts and monkey boots but i was looking for a pair of trainers instead,this isnt for wearing out and about.I dont wear 3/4 shorts,have a crop,refer to myself as a skinhead ( ex or at heart )and i never say that i like reggae.

Training shoes/ trainers (hope this isn't now off topic): I think I can claim to have had some of the earliest around but it had nothing to do with fashion or style. In the 1960s my Dad worked for a footwear manufacturing company. As far as I can tell they worked on a contract basis for footwear sellers, high street stores etc. - mainly kids' sandals and slippers.

They were approached by a bloke from Bolton (I think) called Joe Foster to manufacture a new shoe and produced a short run for him. My Dad got a pair each for me and my brother. They were white leather, quite thin and stiff with a thin composite ridged sole. No padding round the ankle. White laces. Two (I think - but it's hard to be sure after so long) blue stripes on the side. And the name of Mr. Foster's new venture in small gold lettering blocked on the outside of each shoe: REEBOK.

I think we were told they were "training shoes" and can't remember an alternative. Don't think they got called running shoes; certainly not tennis shoes. The term "trainers" came much later. Back then trainers, to football fans, were the guys on the bench who ran onto the pitch with a bucket of water and the "magic sponge" when a player was injured.

I think this must have been around 1967 or 1968, when I was 10 or 11. Me and my brother just wore them for playing out in, football, roaming round the streets, on holiday etc. By late 1969 when I started going on the terraces at Maine Road I'd have grown out of them.

During the summers of 1970 and 1971 I wore Dunlop Green Flash with my Wranglers, and while this wasn't the most stylish footwear at the time compared to Royals etc. it wasn't uncommon either. Never saw them on the terraces though.

Training shoes didn't seem to take off then and I didn't really notice Reebok until many years later, by which time I think it had changed hands. Often wished I'd kept my early pair as they'd have been a museum piece.
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One afterthought is that I think training shoes might have become more noticed around 1970 with the World Cup in Mexico. With the very hard pitches there I've a feeling teams might have used them for training or even as an alternative to studded boots in some games?

And I do remember seeing City's team photo at start of season round then with all players in training shoes. I'll see if I can find it.
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Trainers are within the remits of this thread because Mods wore them,stacked heel shoes and associated clothes were after suedehead so are outside the thread maybe there should be another thread for that kind of stuff ?.

I know there's no real rules here but in my opinion, to understand the skinhead style, its of great relevance and interest as to where it came from and where it ended up. Its mod roots are key as things changed in the late 60s, but its just as relevant if you see a pic of a mod in boots and braces in '64. But by the same token, as the style evolved out the other side, whilst some lads in London were deliberately trying to leave the look behind by late '69, the style continued for many years after in other parts of the country. The emerging fashions influenced that, which is why you'll see versions on skinheads in '73-74 even, with what's obviously the same fundimental look and approach but with a few much later fashions creeping in.
For me, its all good related stuff and I'd rather keep it in one place as much as possible as I struggle keeping up with one forum, let alone logging onto 5 each day!

And whilst there's been some good points made about sports shoes, I'm sure the term "trainers" was never really used in England til about '78-79. Could be wrong though.
And while we're on the subject, I'm surprised basies never go a mention - baseball boots (like the black ones with rubber ankle circle that Basset mentioned), Double Bass? Converse? (although there were plenty of makes and for many, I don't think branding was that important). Have heard about them being worn by northern skinheads at the time, in various contexts.
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I'd written mine earlier and forgot to press send!
I think the style of shoe later known as trainers were certainly around, just don't think the term was used outside of sport until much later.
Interesting about the green flash though.
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someone on another forum claims Yearsley died in 1980 so it wasn't that long after you trained with him if its true, do you know anything about that?

He probably did die around then and could only have been about 50 ish.  I had already moved on to another gym around 77/78 and did not learn of his death for some years after the event.  He was a decent man

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Its taken me a long time to find a decent thread as this one and although the basis is what took place between 69 and 71 regarding skinhead fashion and events it is interesting to read peoples experiences and memories from time slots either side of that period

 

Its all related somewhere and as Buttons says I do not want to be checking out 5 different threads.  some one hits on a topic - we all give our 5 pennies worth and we move on to the next item

 

Please keep contributing your memories and opinions there great reading

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Ivy shop Richmond

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

Trainers are within the remits of this thread because Mods wore them,stacked heel shoes and associated clothes were after suedehead so are outside the thread maybe there should be another thread for that kind of stuff ?.

Mod revivalists maybe BUT in 1962 when london modernism was in full flow i doubt if any real mods wore trainers .. if you could even buy them anywhere . 

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Just off subject-My Mum was Wrestling mad in the 60s and 70s.Every Saturday afternoon she would be screaming at the T.V.She hated McManus,Jackie Pallo etc.One day,both my Sisters thought what a great idea to take my Mum to the Civic Hall in Guildford-to watch the Wresting,they were all there.Big mistake.My Mum had to be restrained from climbing into the Ring,with McManus and the rest of the time she would charge backwards and forwards shouting obscenities.It was the last time they took her-even though she did go more than once.smile.gif

I have said before,what made me go from being a "Peacock Mod" to a more conservative Mod was the way the Fashions were going-Unisex etc.,etc.In the early 70s the Fashions were going that way again,but this time I went with it..I remember the horror on my Mum`s Face when I showed her my first Penny Collared Floral Shirt.I remember the Lace Shirts because I had a similar one.The Shoes started from Two-Tone to the Soles and Heels getting bigger-mind you I did not wear some of the abortions.My Hair was shoulder length(though at first you had it cut shorter on top-you could always tell an ex Skinhead).I was liking The Faces etc.,so they were influencing the Clothes.By the mid 70s,it changed again and all that stuff went to the dustbin.I was well into Jazz Funk.smile.gif
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the 72 ' london football ' look of Ruperts , Toppers and south sea bubble patchwork jumpers was very much a complete break from suedehead but a look worn by all the fashion concious kids who had been suedeheads ...in my opinion a valid look .

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Originally Posted by Ivyskin89 View Post

Final Prototype before production. Any thoughts, comments, criticisms are appreciated.
AppleMark

I like the roll of the Collar-although it reminds me of when the wider(Kipper Ties)came in.What will the retail Price be??
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What has not been touched on(with us older exSkinheads)is the Polo neck Jumper.Whilst the younger ones were wearing patch-work Jumpers etc.,the older ones wore these in many colours and patterns.They were smart enough(if thin)to wear with Jackets,Trousers and Suits.The thicker ones could be worn with Jeans or Trousers.I had about 5 thin ones(various colours) and 2 thicker ones.If you look at Pictures of that time, one if not more would be wearing a Polo neck Jumper.
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Originally Posted by elwood View Post

Training shoes didn't seem to take off then and I didn't really notice Reebok until many years later, by which time I think it had changed hands. Often wished I'd kept my early pair as they'd have been a museum piece.

Awesome Story elwood and it does check out as Joe Foster was the found of Reebok with his brother, I assume they came to the company your dad worked for because they couldn't fulfill all the orders they were getting at the time I assume because the family factory didn't have the equipment and man power for such large orders and obviously the reason you didn't hear about them until years later is because they didn't really take off in a major way until well into the early 80's but I'm sure you knew all of this but its still fund to recount.

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What has not been touched on(with us older exSkinheads)is the Polo neck Jumper.Whilst the younger ones were wearing patch-work Jumpers etc.,the older ones wore these in many colours and patterns.They were smart enough(if thin)to wear with Jackets,Trousers and Suits.The thicker ones could be worn with Jeans or Trousers.I had about 5 thin ones(various colours) and 2 thicker ones.If you look at Pictures of that time, one if not more would be wearing a Polo neck Jumper.

Yes, I had a one, not really thick, but not very thin either - quite big with us in 1972 (i.e. at the end of suedehead,) just before we lost it with football jumpers, star jumpers and tank tops - by which I mean the scoop neck versions. As far as I was concerned, it was all over by that stage.........  To me penny round collars (beagle collars) were not skinhead/suedehead at all, as all kids seemed to wear them.

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