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Ed Vaughan said:

It HAS to be the '68 European Cup Final (United V Benfica) and, the only people I can (vaguely) remember dressing like that were, non-aligned youngsters (neither one thing, nor other) and blokes who'd just finished work on the docks.
The fella on the right, even appears to be wearing a 'combat jacket' (ripped?) and none of them would have got into places I frequented dressed like that. (And they weren't that fussy!)
It's most definitely a 'posed shot' by a journo, looking to get the point of: 'Poor us, we've come all this way - and no tickets'. (Been there, done that.)

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EDIT: Just found this, here: http://m.talksport.co.uk/category/talksport-magazine/big-picture?page=15

'A group of ticketless United fans look dejected outside Wembley during the 1968 European Cup Final.'



browniecj said:

Roy,would your Mate have worn Badges on hie Jacket like that?
bunty,that was a thin reference(the Paint House Picture).I agree with Roy.Even though it is in the North,I think the Geezer with the Donkey Jacket-looks nothing like early Skinhead.Do not forget Council Workmen wore it(or Students trying to looking Working Class).The Turn-ups would be a late 50s/early 60s attempt.I know Photos are getting harder to come by,but please don`t put up anything-just because it is 60s. We put a lot of effort into our "Look",so don`t put us on par with fcking scruffy Students!!!Iknow you were a Student,M-o-M but you put ,more effort into what you wore.

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Well put, points taken Ed and Brownie.

We used to wear donkey jackets to look working class too.
As members of the underclass it was a step up for us 'We used to dream of living in corridor......'

On the subject of odd jackets with trousers, yes that was a short-lived thing for us. I didn't really do that but a friend of mine had a lovely Ivy summer weight madras jacket he wore with trousers or jeans. I remember one evening in Clacton three of us were going out for the night, two in suits and one in the aforementioned jacket, so he had to walk in the middle - for symmetry if you see what I mean!

On the subject of the evolution around 1967 / 68 as brownie says the look had not crystalised but we were not scruffy. Far from it. That was arguably a smarter time than what came a bit later.



I know I've put this up before (it's all I have from the period). But it shows that then, in the early summer of 1967 when I was not yet 15, how important the haircut was already and the clothes - although not skinhead as such - included navy self herringbone suit MTM from Burton, M&S navy botany wool V, striped tie and probably Solatios. When not posing with my mum and dad I would have worn Wrangler cream colour needlecord jacket, Levis and Clarks dessies in that era. It is tempting to want to put up almost any pic from the period and try to make a connection with the thread. I do understand as 'genuine' images are like hen's teef.



browniecj said:

Roy,would your Mate have worn Badges on hie Jacket like that?
bunty,that was a thin reference(the Paint House Picture).I agree with Roy.Even though it is in the North,I think the Geezer with the Donkey Jacket-looks nothing like early Skinhead.Do not forget Council Workmen wore it(or Students trying to looking Working Class).The Turn-ups would be a late 50s/early 60s attempt.I know Photos are getting harder to come by,but please don`t put up anything-just because it is 60s. We put a lot of effort into our "Look",so don`t put us on par with fcking scruffy Students!!!Iknow you were a Student,M-o-M but you put ,more effort into what you wore.

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Yes Football Badges was worn on jacket lapels, if you look at the right lapel he is wearing the little round Chelsea badge that was a favorite, other badges would come out , say 70 cup winners etc.
Bill was a fanatical Chelsea supporter, He sold me Hundreds of Chelsea programmes going back to the 20s for a Fiver, I ended up paying a Pound a week for them...he would come around my house on a Friday for payment,



Lasttye said:

Yes Football Badges was worn on jacket lapels, if you look at the right lapel he is wearing the little round Chelsea badge that was a favorite, other badges would come out , say 70 cup winners etc.
Bill was a fanatical Chelsea supporter, He sold me Hundreds of Chelsea programmes going back to the 20s for a Fiver, I ended up paying a Pound a week for them...he would come around my house on a Friday for payment,

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And, common I may be - I used to use a small United badge in the top pocket of my 'Crombie' to keep my silk square safe.

(Good win for you Chelski boys last night... could you hear me choking as I said that?)

Double post - sorry.



Lasttye said:

Yes Football Badges was worn on jacket lapels, if you look at the right lapel he is wearing the little round Chelsea badge that was a favorite, other badges would come out , say 70 cup winners etc.
Bill was a fanatical Chelsea supporter, He sold me Hundreds of Chelsea programmes going back to the 20s for a Fiver, I ended up paying a Pound a week for them...he would come around my house on a Friday for payment,

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Another thing that went on and i think it still does ....was collecting away lapel badges, Some people would put them on their scarfs.

At the start of this, see the kids in suits (one) with badges:



Brideshead said:

It is tempting to want to put up almost any pic from the period and try to make a connection with the thread. I do understand as 'genuine' images are like hen's teef.

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I do have a couple of photo's and articles that I've not put on here, because of a couple of reasons. Sometimes I deem them too scruffy to be bothered to put them on here.

Here's one I've never seen before on any other page, anyone remember this headline?



loempiavreter said:

I do have a couple of photo's and articles that I've not put on here, because of a couple of reasons. Sometimes I deem them too scruffy to be bothered to put them on here.
Here's one I've never seen before on any other page, anyone remember this headline?

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I don't remember seeing that pic before - I think it says Southend? I may well have been there - but we made sure not to wear any obvious skinhead items on a Bank Holiday. So braces would not normally be worn and boots were replaced by Solatios or later, Royals / Gibsons. One mate in our group was mad enough to wear boots on one occasion and did have his laces confiscated. We said wait here and we'll buy you some in Woolies - that's what we did! The other trick was to alight at Prittlewell and get the bus to the front

BTW - don't worry about the quality of the image - keep 'em coming. I should also have said these guys look pretty cool considering......



Ed Vaughan said:

At the start of this, see the kids in suits (one) with badges:

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I still can't picture those Solatio's John, I know it has been discussed before. And it's indeed different from those clumpy early 70s shoes that also have been called Solatios as well. There's that picture of Bunty's brother with a pair... but it's not very clear shot. Going back in the topic, all I know it's soft leather? Does it have an apron like a gibson? The shoes shape is slightly more continental? I'm not particularly interested in a pair, but I am curious to know what it actually looked like.



Brideshead said:

BTW - don't worry about the quality of the image - keep 'em coming. I should also have said these guys look pretty cool considering......

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Oh no, this article is quite alright to be honest. The kids don't look bad at all, in the article's photo imo.

There quite a few style horror's that I don't bother to post.

But this following one is nice even if someone else posted this photo in this topic, but it was only the url so a lot of people must've missed it since no one commented about it. And it's a photograph of 2 girls, those are always welcome

Liz Beadle in 1970

Iam convinced Skinheads only lasted for a short time due to the Old Bill, They would not leave us alone, The Blacks of today go on about Harassment, it was none stop for us, You walk up the High St you would be stopped and searched. I got Nicked Thirteen times between 69 and 72 or 73, Three times in a week once, All for nothing, Many a Lad from my age group lives was ruined by having a criminal record. The first time i got nicked it was for 'Disturbing The Peace' we was ******* walking down the road whistling,

When the Old Bill got onto the Case,they would not leave you alone.Even walking down the Street they would make some excuse and nick you.As I have said before,before a New Inspector came,we had a different relationship with them.It seemed late `69 they had Orders to go after all the Skinheads.

Good Photos,keep these coming!!!

I never wore Badges,spoil my Jacket-regardless of Football Clubs etc.I kept to this until Styles became more Casual.

Regarding the photo I posted - with the turn-ups, surplus jacket (M65?), donkey jacket, straight-leg jeans, shorter-than-usual hair (for the late 60s), to my eye they look like 'hard mods'. The photo was dated '67 or '68, so another example of mass style between mod and skinhead. Yeah they're a bit scruffy, but no more so than many of the 'beach riot' mods or late-to-the-game skinheads pictured elsewhere.

I wasn't trying to say the photo was some kindof holy grail, just that it was one of the more relevant ones in the photoset.