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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post


At other times, knowing a bit of French meant that I could smooth things over when there was a misunderstanding between French and English lads, so I probably stopped more fights than I started! smile.gif

MoM, your anecdote: "I knew back then that the way to insult a 'minet' was to imitate a cat's miaow, and that's what I did." is very telling. The word "Minet" was kind of an insult, it had gay connotations... The "Minets" prefered to consider themselves as "Playboys". But the name stayed, as "skinhead" who seem(ed) pejorative too, i guess.

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On a different topic: collar roll - http://www.tweedinthecity.com/2013/04/10/how-do-you-roll/ There is also a related thread here on styleforum.
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I think in the context of 'mod to suedehead' the idea of looking at a longer timeframe is relevant here (maybe not for the book) and I am happy to respond. I need to gather my thoughts first.
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As I've told John I'm toying with the idea of doing a separate thing on said topic for my own amusement (which could probably be used for 'Walk Proud' as well?). I'll keep in touch...

 

Yes, good stuff Alex. Happy to help where I can, as always. John
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On a personal note, I was 'of the style' right through and even as late as 1973 was still going to football matches in Doc. Martens, Parallels, Denims etc. (There's a photo of Birmingham Boot Boys somewhere on this thread that captures the look), even returning to short hair after growing it for a while BUT on my 19th birthday I put a parting in my hair, hung up my 'Bovver Boots' and started to buy the fashionable clothes of the day - I considered myself too old for terrace fashion and found myself in a completely different social environment.

 

 

Here is a photo of The Undertones.It shows how elements of the style lingered on .The band were formed in '75 and they had this look pre/post punk,edging more towards punk later I believe.I think the Irish were well behind England as far as styles developing at that time with Skinheads starting about 1970.

 

 

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Ivyskin89.I was a member of the Original Modernists on FB.They thru me off for disagreeing about Atlantic records and Ahmet Ertegun.The most uptight people.That is why I transitioned from Mod/2 tone revival to Indie Hipster(a natural progression at the time) I wasn't gonna be told what to wear. I guess the clip Bunty posted doesn't play in da USA.Anyone have any suggestions how we Yanks can see it?Tanx.

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Bunty,the clip you show has been seen before.It shows the Walton "Hop" where the Suedeheads were dancing.The Walton "Chapter" was never an official "Hells Angel" Chapter-just some of them writing it on their Jackets(no proper Colours shown).The only recognised Chapters were Windsor and East London in the South(or so I believe).

To me,the transformation from a "Peacock Mod" to one that had a No.4 came gradually.With Skinhead you had a Crop,bought Boots and turned your Jeans up and that was basically it.You copied what what was around you.Earlier it was harder to get the clothes together as there were a very few shops that catered for the Style.If I sound snobbish so be it,but I grew my hair because I did not want to get involved in punch-ups and because" the world and his wife" had become Skinhead.smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Mr Knightley View Post

 

Yes, didn't mean to be dismissive but I don't recall.One thing I have been meaning to ask is about the influence of les Minets on styles in France. Where and when did they fit into the timeline? Thanks.

I made some research on the subject. The exact timeline seems to be 1960-1965 for "la bande du Drugstore", 1965-1968 for "les minets des Champs élysées", and thereafter to the eighties for the "mainstream" minets (less interesting). 

There are strong links with the mods.

I found two very interesting testimonies by actors-witnesses of this time. If some of you are interested, let me know, and i will try to translate them.

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Just throwing this out there in case anyone happens to be in the market for a new pair of boots. Several pages back I asked if anyone has had any dealings with William Lennon boot company. Buttons was the only one who replied saying that he had heard that the quality was very solid. I just got my pair of these in the mail today:

http://www.williamlennon.co.uk/footwear/d106-safety-boots.html

And although I'm no boot expert (haven't worn a DM style boot in quite a while...and my last pair were some unsatisfactory Chinese made ones) these are fan-fucking-tastic. Very soft, supple, yet thick leather uppers with Solovair branded soles. From what their customer service person told me, the uppers are made in-house in their shop in England and then shipped to Solovair to have the soles put on...so for those particular about getting a true MiE boot...this is the real deal. And for the price I'd venture to say they're unbeatable...especially for those of you in the UK that will benefit from the free shipping that they offer. I only put them on long enough to check sizing and they are the most comfortable DM style boot I've put on right out of the box. Far more so than the shitty Chinese ones I have and although I haven't worn original MiE DMs in many years...I'd also venture to say much better quality and comfort than I remember from those. I believe these will break in beautifully. Also, being that it seems hard to get a 'shorter' (6-8 hole) quality steel-toe DM style boot nowdays...I feel like I was blessed to come across these.

Anyway...thought I'd throw it out there in case anyone is in the market...and I would assume all their other boot styles are just as high-quality.
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browniecj.Thanks for the description of Bunty's clip for us in the US(we had troubles viewing) That was a good clip.Good explanation of the transition as well.   Spirit of 89.Those boots look like a pic someone posted of original DM's,with the lite brown leather trim.  Clouseau.Very interested in this French wing of Mods(so to speak) Might be something of interest to the Original Modernists on FB.

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Originally Posted by yankmod View Post

Ivyskin89.I was a member of the Original Modernists on FB.They thru me off for disagreeing about Atlantic records and Ahmet Ertegun.The most uptight people.That is why I transitioned from Mod/2 tone revival to Indie Hipster(a natural progression at the time) I wasn't gonna be told what to wear. I guess the clip Bunty posted doesn't play in da USA.Anyone have any suggestions how we Yanks can see it?Tanx.

You appreciate quality garments and good style. You are also open to learning and not acting like you know everything. These are good qualities, just keep doing your thing.

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On the 'age' issue, I was born in 1950. My 20th birthday was in June 1970, by which time, although I still wore a lot of the stuff (PoW jacket, FP, etc) I was identifiably no longer a skinhead. I had definitely hung up my boots. I regarded myself as probably being at the very top of the age-range for skins. I had thought of myself as a mod when I lived in the NW, and when I moved to London people in my college called me a mod in 1968 and only started calling me a skinhead in 1969 when the press stories broke. I didn't mind too much, because that's what people who dressed like I did had come to be called. By mid-1970 the vast majority of skinheads were a lot younger than I was, and all my mates and blokes of my age had started growing their hair, buying more 'arty-farty' clothes.
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post

I made some research on the subject. The exact timeline seems to be 1960-1965 for "la bande du Drugstore", 1965-1968 for "les minets des Champs élysées", and thereafter to the eighties for the "mainstream" minets (less interesting). 

There are strong links with the mods.

I found two very interesting testimonies by actors-witnesses of this time. If some of you are interested, let me know, and i will try to translate them.

Yes, I am interested too.  Merci Monsieur.

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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post


'Moccasins' (which was what we called loafers, when we didn't know any better) 67/68 around Blackpool


We wore moccasins in 67/68 in East London/Suburbs. I had a pair of moccasin slippers for indoors and moccasins with a rubber sole for outdoors. They were worn at about the same time as the Scholl sandals.By 1969 we had found out where we could buy decent loafers and dropped the moccs. Today the nearest equivalent in my mind is the boat shoe.

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