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Hi RB, I'm assuming by Oxford, you mean this style, with a toe cap?
The terminology often gets mixed up with gibsons, smooth caps, oxfords, long wings, Royals, gun boats etc, even with the manufacturers.
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I've got a pair by Grenson, I've had since '89. Not got a picture to hand though.

 

Yes Buttons, that's exactly what I meant. (the style of the brown ones, though we mostly wore black)

 

The moccasins I referred to though were lace ups - not 'loafers' (much more like the 'Cheaneys' photo posted by Gsvs5)


Edited by roytonboy - 6/20/13 at 5:57am
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I've got a pair of Church's like that I need to get around to selling.

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Mr.Knightley.I Don't own a tie.Haven't worn one in 30 yrs.I'm superstitious about it.I do think some gents in Bow ties look pretty cool though.Just wanted to commend you on that choice.It takes bravery as well I think to wear a Bow Tie.

I must admit I don't wear a bow tie that often - it does take courage these days!

 

Even the tie is becoming an endangered species - the recent G8 summit seemed to put another nail in the coffin.  It is sad because a man gets very few opportunities to wear a piece of coloured silk.

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http://loomstate.blogspot.com/2012/01/lotus-veldtschoen-guaranteed-waterproof.html

 

Here is a link to a great Blog  predominantly about Denim by one of the most knowledgable people out there.This posting talks of the Lotus Shoe Co. which was based in my home town at the time .Maybe due to that fact a few of the lads wore Veldtschoen shoes as an alternative to Royals at the time.Less common than the RAF surplus Officer Dress shoes worn by many,they were one of the few shoes out there with very thick soles and built solid as a rock.They were also the most expensive new shoes available in town at the time.

Interesting to you Buttons as it talks of "Used"  prices for the boots and RL in London.

Furthermore he dispels the Urban Legend of the Japanese buying up Levis old Looms for Denim production elsewhere in his Blog.Good reading

Gsvs5 thanks for sharing that link - great blog as you say.  Lotus made some wonderful loafers in the early 80s available at Woodhouse in London.  They reflected that rugged style pictured in the blog with a chunky construction and often a matt, slightly waxy finish.  Anyone remember them?

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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post

 

Yes Buttons, that's exactly what I meant. (the style of the brown ones, though we mostly wore black)

 

The moccasins I referred to though were lace ups - not 'loafers' (much more like the 'Cheaneys' photo posted by Gsvs5)

Of course they are not both Oxfords (using the English definition).  The brown one, with its 'closed' lacing, is where the black pair are in a Derby style.  While we wore Derbies in the late 60s (Royals included of course) we did not wear Oxfords on a regular basis.  The latter were seen as too smooth.

 

http://menandstyle.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/the-difference-between-oxford-and-derby.html

 

I gather our American cousins call the Derby a Blucher and the Oxford an Oxford Bal(moral)?

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On the subject of shoes.....

1. Were Oxfords worn in other parts of the country 1969/71? Don't recall it being mentioned anywhere.
2. In 1972 there was a brief fad about wearing 'Moccasins' around Manchester. Did this happen anywhere else?

Remember both in the Manchester area, roytonboy.

1. Oxfords were one of Timpsons' "Royals" range I've mentioned before. Only ever saw them in black. Definitely fell into what had previously been "old man's wear" I'd say, as before that I'd only ever seen them worn by my Grandads and their contemporaries. Having said which I've had several pairs over last

Although I wore both at the time, the former I considered to be skinhead wear, the latter I didn't (pretty much on the tail end of suedehead by us - just as it was all starting to go pear shaped)
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Oops, mis post (accidentally hit reply button too soon). Was about to say have had several pairs of Oxfords over last 20-odd years, made by Church's and Grenson amongst others. In fact, wearing a pair today.

2. Also remember moccasins if they were lace-ups you're referring to roytonboy. Seem to remember Bata selling most popular version. Didn't care for them myself and somehow always associate them with Rupert trousers - but as you said they were at suede head tail-end when all going pear-shaped.
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elwood, I hadnt heard of John Smedley before reading this thread,i think that they look very tidy,i have some similar ones by Hugo Boss in various colours,the logo is very discreet just the name embroidered in the same coloured thread as the shirt.I also have Hanes long sleeve polos which are a plain cotton pique polo in a variety of colours about £12 on e bay.
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roytonboy, If its Oxfords with a toe cap that you mean then yes i used to wear them,i have seen some similar on e bay recently Sanders officers shoes. Were the lace up moccasins leather with a rubber sole ? if so we wore them in Bristol,we called them "bovver moccs", Pressure_drop has mentioned them. I was reading your article for your local rag and you mention the Ben Sherman button downs in black,navy and red..I had a navy one for christmas that year, 1970 ? it was a nice shirt very thin/fine material,i think that the red one had white buttons,the navy shirt navy buttons,not sure about the black but i wish i could get one now.
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Mr Knightley, I set my posts out in paragraphs and drop a line,but when i press submit the post appears in continuos form ( i hope that makes sense ) anyway it doesnt appear as i set it out. Belts,do you match belt colour with shoe colour ?.
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

roytonboy, If its Oxfords with a toe cap that you mean then yes i used to wear them,i have seen some similar on e bay recently Sanders officers shoes. Were the lace up moccasins leather with a rubber sole ? if so we wore them in Bristol,we called them "bovver moccs", Pressure_drop has mentioned them. I was reading your article for your local rag and you mention the Ben Sherman button downs in black,navy and red..I had a navy one for christmas that year, 1970 ? it was a nice shirt very thin/fine material,i think that the red one had white buttons,the navy shirt navy buttons,not sure about the black but i wish i could get one now.

Got a couple of red Bennies from 1970 and they definitely come with red buttons (long sleeved and short).

Navy with navy buttons etc.
Never had a black one yet (but there's always time!)
Brutus had white buttons on their red & black plain button downs - here's Jim Cox wearing one at the 2 Puddings Pub, Stratford, East London, 1970


(Red) Buttons
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I have been looking for some Prince of Wales check trousers with light blue over check for some time now,last night i found a pair in Marks and Spencers ( yet again ). Trousers are part of a suit in the Sartorial range,you can buy the jacket,waistcoat and trousers seperately.they are in a lightweight wool,flat front and at the moment they are reduced to £63. Next also had a Prince of Wales suit that you could buy the trousers seperately, £45 but they were 50% wool 50% polyester the colour was nice and the cut . I always thought P.O.W check trousers looked good with black brogues and a white button down and maybe a blazer or crombie.
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The red Brutus shirt reminds me that there was a local character who used to deliberately wear lairy clashing colours, the example given being a red shirt, yellow braces, sky trousers, and teamed with an ear-ring if you please. This was done with the affect of inviting stares and comments and therefore provoking a fight. The bloke was a total nutter of course...


The above photo of Jim Cox is a beauty.

I've seen photos of you everywhere Buttons, on some dodgy sites too! (Panic) Buttons! biggrin.gif
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Buttons, or is it Red now ? ..I can only remember seeing the Ben Shermans in long sleeve in those colours,to be fair i did say that i think the red shirts had white buttons ( left myself some room to wriggle out ! ) maybe i confused them with the Brutus,i dont know.Anyway with the football allegiances here i would not have considered red,and i wouldnt have been allowed to have black, so it had to be navy...it was definitely a fine cotton though, i am 100% sure on that.
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