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Clouseau. Yes i did a little research about Dexter and as you say the firm was sold and now seems to make cheap shoes,its a shame. The pebble grain longwings interested me because it is a bit unusual ( especially in black ),i thought that the shape looked good too.Maybe the American guys can tell us more,hopefully that there are many New Old Stock shoes available ( i am always hopeful).Another shoe firm i came across while looking at Dexters was Stuart Macguire,they also made longwings and they also seem not to exist anymore.
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Darksideoftheforce,Thats a good post,firstly i think that you (and Yankmod,in one of his posts) should take the stares and hostility of the badly dressed as a "badge of honour",would you want to be welcomed by them ? NO, their disapproval is good news!.Secondly i do not think that is just the American people who have become scruffs,in England its not just the young but older people who dress badly,it seems like very few have any pride in their appearance these days.I think that smart skinhead/suedehead were very smart styles and i try to dress in a similar way but slightly updated (maybe not quite the right word).In the 60s early 70s most people made more effort to dress well as certain standards were demanded (dress codes), only on saturday i was telling my "young lady" that i missed not wearing a tie on occasion. I think that as a working class man i made an effort when i went out on a night,maybe i was saying "i might have to wear overalls at work but when i come out i can show MY style and pride in myself".Of course there were smart filmstars or footballers like Bobby Moore who dressed well.....as a style icon we had Steve Mcqueen,who have the youngsters got now Pete Docherty !,the rich and famous now seem to go out dressed like slobs.I think smart skinhead/suedehead took some of the Ivy league styles and some city gent and traditional styles because it looked smart and clean cut and showed that the wearer was making an effort and had some self pride in himself.I get a bit depressed when i look around me,thats why i am happy to have found this thread and some people who have similar ideas to me.
post #12513 of 19158
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

Lasttye, I have been looking at Dexter longwings/wingtips online ( Clouseau mentioned the make), in images there are some pictures of black pebble grain leather Dexters.What do you think? I know its not the traditional look but i reckon they would look really smart with a good shine on them.

Cerneabbas , If you like them mate why not? ..Think Church's do a pebble grain in a brown..and they look cool, Very Country wear,smile.gif
post #12514 of 19158

Darksideoftheforce.I've spent the last 30+ plus years looking around me at the Lack of style.It's not a new situation.I was originally attracted to Mod and  2 tone style cause around me was Late 70's disco polyester crap.Keep wearing the smart style maybe some folks in L.A will take notice and be influenced.The folks with style in L.A.  were usually part of the underground music scene(Indie,Punk,Ska) And that world has changed.Walk proud Brother.

post #12515 of 19158
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

Darksideoftheforce,Thats a good post,firstly i think that you (and Yankmod,in one of his posts) should take the stares and hostility of the badly dressed as a "badge of honour",would you want to be welcomed by them ? NO, their disapproval is good news!.Secondly i do not think that is just the American people who have become scruffs,in England its not just the young but older people who dress badly,it seems like very few have any pride in their appearance these days.I think that smart skinhead/suedehead were very smart styles and i try to dress in a similar way but slightly updated (maybe not quite the right word).In the 60s early 70s most people made more effort to dress well as certain standards were demanded (dress codes), only on saturday i was telling my "young lady" that i missed not wearing a tie on occasion. I think that as a working class man i made an effort when i went out on a night,maybe i was saying "i might have to wear overalls at work but when i come out i can show MY style and pride in myself".Of course there were smart filmstars or footballers like Bobby Moore who dressed well.....as a style icon we had Steve Mcqueen,who have the youngsters got now Pete Docherty !,the rich and famous now seem to go out dressed like slobs.I think smart skinhead/suedehead took some of the Ivy league styles and some city gent and traditional styles because it looked smart and clean cut and showed that the wearer was making an effort and had some self pride in himself.I get a bit depressed when i look around me,thats why i am happy to have found this thread and some people who have similar ideas to me.


cerneabbas, I'm the same. I try to keep my wardrobe as traditionally skinhead/suedehead/mod updated to the 21st century (if that even makes sense).
I can't count the number of times I've heard people say "why are you so dressed up for?" When did wearing a pair of something as simple as fitted staprests, loafers and a FP tennis shirt become considered "all dressed up?" Wasn't there a time when they were only considered casual? Mind you that is only a normal summer wear, imagine how it is for winter when putting on jumpers, or a crombie style coat? That would really be considered "over-dressed."

Anyway you're right, I think one of the reasons why people have stopped caring about how they dress in public is the destruction of rules of etiquette; dress codes. Replaced by an anything goes mentality. And you were bang on, about people making an effort back then because there was still a sense of etiquette to live by. Nowadays, its, want to eat at a sit restaurant looking like you just got up out of bed? Go right ahead, you'll still be served. In other words there aren't any consequences for looking inappropriate in public anymore.
I understand alot of people are on a shoestring budget, so am I, but you can buy smart looking clothes at reasonable prices and still look smart.
post #12516 of 19158
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Originally Posted by yankmod View Post

Darksideoftheforce.I've spent the last 30+ plus years looking around me at the Lack of style.It's not a new situation.I was originally attracted to Mod and  2 tone style cause around me was Late 70's disco polyester crap.Keep wearing the smart style maybe some folks in L.A will take notice and be influenced.The folks with style in L.A.  were usually part of the underground music scene(Indie,Punk,Ska) And that world has changed.Walk proud Brother.

Yankmod, that's also one of the reasons why I've tightly hung on to the smart traditional skin/suede fashion, partly in protest of the crap around me.

Glad to see I'm not alone in feeling this way.
post #12517 of 19158
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

Clouseau. Yes i did a little research about Dexter and as you say the firm was sold and now seems to make cheap shoes,its a shame. The pebble grain longwings interested me because it is a bit unusual ( especially in black ),i thought that the shape looked good too.Maybe the American guys can tell us more,hopefully that there are many New Old Stock shoes available ( i am always hopeful).Another shoe firm i came across while looking at Dexters was Stuart Macguire,they also made longwings and they also seem not to exist anymore.

I run across far more vintage florsheim and bostonians than vintage dexter, vintage shoes from freeman are also another you could possibly look into they come for sale new old stock more often than the others for some reason.

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Had a bit of a dilemma on Saturday night at the local pub whilst enjoying a couple of sherbets... there was this young lad (in his 30s, so young compared to me), noticed him straight away as he was wearing a stone coloured Harrington style jacket and checked shirt (see my previous posts - always prefer striped shirts against the trade mark lining of a Harrington, but that's another story).

Anyway his hair was short(ish) but scruffy, so already thought he was letting the side down, but it got worse, a lot worse... he took off his jacket and had red clip on braces so he was obviously making the effort but the shirt was baggy and looked poor quality, I then looked down - nondescript jeans, poor show and then, horror of horrors - trainers (or daps as we call them down here).

So the dilemma - give him gentle advice, tell him where he was going wrong or berate him mercilessly and turn him into a quivering wreck (I was tempted by the latter, but the missus as ever didn't want a scene).

BTW Basset - it was the Red Lion in Staple Hill - so par for the course satisfied.gif
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Pressure_Drop.That is a dilemma. I've witnessed the same. Problem is you assume he is tryin to be a skin(with little success)and yet you may find in reality he's not tryin to be skin but has cobbled together a few threads and has no "eye"and done a poor job.Speaking of Jeans.Back in 82 I found some Levi's in the Salvation Army.They were a soft cotton.Slim fit in black, grey and off white.Never saw them sold anywhere else.Anyone remember them?

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Sirryacus. I really thought that those black pebble grain Dexters looked something special,smart and different.Can you tell me where its best to look online for new old stock shoes ?
post #12521 of 19158
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Originally Posted by Darksideoftheforce View Post

Question for the non-American posters on the site:

Although it may not seem like the question has anything to do with traditional skinhead fashion, it does.


Its been established from previous discussions on this board that American fashion was an important element of the traditional skinhead attire, American long wings, and the smart ivy league fashion. Did you original skinheads growing up in the 60s view Americans back then to be smartly dressed, unlike today when Americans have a notorious reputation for looking scruffy? Even expensive stores in America considered "hip" and "high end" like Abercrombie & Fitch, Hollister are just full of boring shitty looking clothes that would be considered crappy style by European standards.

Having visited London and other parts of Europe several times myself I can definitely say that the stereotype of the badly dressed American has a ring of truth to it. I mean compared to the average Londoner or Parisian Americans certainly have no fashion sense. Did you original skinhead guys feel differently about American fashion sense in the 60s?

 

Darkside - interesting questions. (as ever, I can only speak from personal experience based on my locality at the time) I think the "Ivy League" look was more influential during the Mod period at a particular period in the sixties. It later re-emerged during "suedehead", which, if we're honest, was very much influenced by mod. During skinhead (1969/70) I don't ever recall anyone speaking about American style or American influences - (except for Levi's) If anything we were influenced more by Jamaica! The skinhead style was seen to be British - Hobnail Boots (British Army) Doc Martens (British), Ben Sherman (British) Fairisle Pullovers (British). In the north, Wrangler Jeans (British) were more widely worn than Levi's (though not by me) - however, we did  of course  love American Soul music.(but no-one walked around looking like the Temptations circa 1970!) Having said all of that I have recently watched  a DVD of the original "Thomas Crown Affair" with Steve McQueen - it really bowled me over! It's got to be one of the coolest, most stylish films I've ever seen. The best of it was, it reminded me of a family wedding in 1968 - my older sister was dressed just like Faye Dunaway, complete with stetson type hat!!!!! Iv'e got to dig those photos out sometime!

post #12522 of 19158
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Originally Posted by Pressure_Drop View Post

Had a bit of a dilemma on Saturday night at the local pub whilst enjoying a couple of sherbets... there was this young lad (in his 30s, so young compared to me), noticed him straight away as he was wearing a stone coloured Harrington style jacket and checked shirt (see my previous posts - always prefer striped shirts against the trade mark lining of a Harrington, but that's another story).

Anyway his hair was short(ish) but scruffy, so already thought he was letting the side down, but it got worse, a lot worse... he took off his jacket and had red clip on braces so he was obviously making the effort but the shirt was baggy and looked poor quality, I then looked down - nondescript jeans, poor show and then, horror of horrors - trainers (or daps as we call them down here).

So the dilemma - give him gentle advice, tell him where he was going wrong or berate him mercilessly and turn him into a quivering wreck (I was tempted by the latter, but the missus as ever didn't want a scene).

BTW Basset - it was the Red Lion in Staple Hill - so par for the course satisfied.gif


The Lion, aint been in there for a while, the last time i was in there a pint of Toby was still under a quid!

Re your dilema, the look you describe does seem to be in vogue with some youngsters, general fashion i think, if he was older he should know better, if people want to get the skinhead style let them make there own mistakes it's all part of it, iv'e made plenty ( still do ) if someone with knowledge and style gives me a tip im more than happy to listen and think about it, on the other hand theres been many times when i've had conversations thru gritted teeth.

 

I was out the other week with the usual suspects enjoying said sherbert, whilst outside smoking the usual banter was taking place, the length of me hair being the in piss take at the moment, someone who i'd never met before was there and started to join in, smart fella but he had his top button done up on his shirt, i told him i'd get it cut when he'd learnt to wear his shirt properly, he looked rather put out and cluless by my comment, sometimes there's harder ways to learn than a punch in the face, besides i was having a good time and it was the lesser of the two evils.

 

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post #12523 of 19158
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

Sirryacus. I really thought that those black pebble grain Dexters looked something special,smart and different.Can you tell me where its best to look online for new old stock shoes ?

As much as people hate ebay its probably the best place to look for them because of the sheer volume of different pairs being listed daily, etsy might be a good place to look as well, the only problem with the online ordering is if the product isn't as described or if you were excepting better,then obviously shipping costs back and forth could be a huge loss especially on 6 pound shoes.

post #12524 of 19158
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Originally Posted by Sirryacus View Post

As much as people hate ebay its probably the best place to look for them because of the sheer volume of different pairs being listed daily, etsy might be a good place to look as well, the only problem with the online ordering is if the product isn't as described or if you were excepting better,then obviously shipping costs back and forth could be a huge loss especially on 6 pound shoes.



Speaking of Etsy, got me a pair of '60s deadstock Mr Levi's Sta Prest in black. 33 x 29, my exact size!! They were about 27 clams all told. And they fit a treat.

Also Darkside, I feel your pain. Most kids here wear friggging pyjamas/sweats. I don't get too too much flack here as the old schoolers, gangsters(and the wannabes) always dressed sharp. Old school Boston/Townie fashion includes flight jackets, scally caps. Baracutas, etc. my usual critique is "hey ked, put up ya fahkin' collah on that 'Cuta" or more benignly(and incredulously) "hey youngstah, is that a REAL Baracuta?"

Roytonboy, there lies the old adages "all the gear and no idea".

Bassett, the adage " it's not WHAT you wear but how you wear it" defo applies here.
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Sirryacus. I totally agree about the problems of ordering online.I am watching a pair of vintage Florsheim longwings on ebay at the moment,US size 11.5 which is UK 10.5,ok so far but these shoes have a width fitting B which is described as "narrow", without trying them on its difficult for me to know. I usually would not buy used shoes but the pictures of these suggest that they were hardly ever worn,maybe too uncomfortable due to width ?..thanks for the info about etsy.
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