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Talking of Willie Mitchell, just how close is this 1966 Memphis R&B track to ska!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCHD_3pjVjg
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Originally Posted by McDermott View Post

 

Isnt that just it..

 

The being different, the one-upmanship was a major thing. From records to clothes, I spent, as did many others, 77-82 going all over to hunt down stuff.

 

For clothes, from old tailors to army surplus to charity shops and walking into ordinary clothes shops and asking if they had any old stock - one of my best finds was walking into a jeans shop at the Angel and the bloke said yeah got loads of old stuff out back and let me go through it all, levis sta prest including tonics, old Ben Shermans and a load of old US shirts, would have paid me to take them. Of course you didnt tell anyone, didnt want them to copy you or run down these treasure troves. Remember in 77 when someone let out about the Earls court place and they had ice blue Levi sta-prest, it was cleared out over a week or two and that was the end of that source. For suits, it was the same but then a massive stall opened in early 78 in the indoor market down the Lane, selling old suits, PoW, dogtooth, mohair and old tonics, for around £10-20 each, bloody loaded up with them!...  Got my first fulltime job in March 1979 and got 2 suits made with my first pay - paid for them over the next 6 months - and that set me off. 

 

On the record front, the same, got hooked in Rock On in Camden 76 with punk and then started collecting soul and then blues etc in 77 onwards - across the 60s and early 70s in particular, but also not being constrained to any one genre, it was simple really, if I liked it I bought it!. Mates of mine from Nottingham were always on about northern soul and personally, and I agree with M-o-M, that there is some good stuff in there but also a lot of poor quality stuff. McDermott, funny you should mention I Cant Get Next to You, one of my personal favourites.

 

It was the drive to be different that led from briefly being  a skinhead to suedehead, getting involved in the mod revival and then, after a few years becoming a casual - and even then making sure I wasnt like the ordinary bloke in the pub. Elitist? I'd say yes. Arrogant? Hopefully not! smile.gif

 

 

Tom

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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post


That was me, and I'm sticking to my opinion, having deliberately listened to as many 'Northern Soul' records as I could find. Yes there were some good ones that had been overlooked (like Willie Mitchell's 'That Driving Beat' - see below), but the majority of them were eminently forgettable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CQH0L5uqVg

PM me your address and Ill send you a CD...i Refuse to be beaten !  fing02[1].gif

 

This is a soul night some young mates of mine put on, thought some would like the pics. Shows the 'younger' generation coming through.. Quite a few of 'us' on there...

 

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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

Talking of Willie Mitchell, just how close is this 1966 Memphis R&B track to ska!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCHD_3pjVjg

I read this a few years back http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0140237631/?tag=hydra0b-21&hvadid=9550933149&ref=asc_df_0140237631 and it tells the complete story of all JA music . Confirms that Ska was indeed just badly played R N B .

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Just for the record, I left school in '79 and joined the skinhead ranks via a love of 2 Tone music. That and a bunch of scooter riding mates who where either skinhead or mod.

 

I can say categorically that I was among a number of skinheads that dressed sharply. I had a blue/bronze tonic suit, crombie, brogues, loafers etc. Shirts where almost always Ben Sherman and polos where always Fred Perry.

 

That being said, I was also an avid fan of The Jam and my style evolved along a more mod orientated style in the following couple of years. That was partly due to the influence that politics, was having on the skinhead, and that alienated me.

 

In truth the differnace between being a mod and a skinhead in terms of clothes etc. at the time, was a couple of inches of hair. In retrospect the look at the time drew heavily on the mid-late 60's transition between mod and skinhead (now termed "hard mod", but that was not a term we heard at the time).
 

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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

Just got this pic off FB permission from Bob,
I was told by my mate Noreen she had to go to the Barbers to get a crop as the hairdressers would not cut her long hair off.she was 14 in 69.



This photo is Mary Smith having her hair cut in a Barbers Walworth Road SE London 1968.

The girls back then had nothing to go on so they just copied the Boys...and had their hair cut a little longer, the feather cut developed from this over a few months into 69.
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Originally Posted by TomMc666 View Post

Hope you dont mind me commenting on this and fair play to you. The end of the 70s and early 80s for both skinheads and mods were quite odd really, those of us who were 17-19 and went through skinhead and then mod took the clothing and the music seriously - hunting across London for clobber and recordsd - but also took in other elements such as punk as well as the mod revival bands - for us we didnt want to emulate the approach the teddy boys took, living in a museum. But at the same time the press took up the return of these cults and then you started to see punks crossing over - and this I think had an impact for the bonehead look - ,many  young kids getting involved - especially with Quadrophenia and then Two Tone etc. Many of us moved on - it was totally elitist for many of us, being different - into casual etc.And I agree,as at any time, including now, there are the clued up and the clueless!

wise words from a wise man!!! smile.gif
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Are we not drifting away from what this thread its all about... original Skinheads/Suedeheads...and to some extent original Mods with their connection to what became Skinheads,
What happened in the late 70s/80s is actually irrelevant to this thread as the later Skinheads/Mods was a revival with nothing new to offer. this is no offence to the later revivalist by the way.

But to me the Mods/Skinheads only happened once..the Originals.
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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post

Maybe they were BUT i dont remember ever seeing any Bonehead/ Revivalist kids in 79 who looked half decent - feel free to make me look stupid by putting up some pics .

not 79, but for sure these revivalist "kids" (incl tommc666) are looking more decent than some of the originals on pix we´ve seen here before... wink.gif

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Oldham Athletic, tangerine, blue and white my fellow  Roytonian. Your obviously one of those misguided Royton Boys that found yourself on Platt Lane, when you should have been on Sheepfoot Lane ! ..
 

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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

Are we not drifting away from what this thread its all about... original Skinheads/Suedeheads...and to some extent original Mods with their connection to what became Skinheads,
What happened in the late 70s/80s is actually irrelevant to this thread as the later Skinheads/Mods was a revival with nothing new to offer. this is no offence to the later revivalist by the way.

But to me the Mods/Skinheads only happened once..the Originals.

nothing new to offer??? hahahaha... for you "originals" it was just a short living fashion and you left it all behind in 71 and even nearly forgot about it, till you found some "new" skinheads on the internet and got a platform for your old stories.. here or on any other skinhead group/page made by "revivalist kids" like the ukskinheads board or a lot of skinhead facebook groups...
these so called "revivalist kids" made a way of life out of your short living fashion, formed their own bands, brands, labels, etc and this is the reason why you still can go out to northern soul, ska and reggae do´s in 2013 and dont have to sit at home all alone with nobody interested in your old stories...
i´m sick of your posts that all none originals or all none londoners are scruffy and this "skinheads only happened once and only in london" shit...
you guys (especially you roy, cause i never heard this from any of the other originals on here) should be a bit more grateful that you can share stories of your past and that we young ones keep this thread goin with our interest and our questions.. we young ones really appreciate these stories from the past, and so you also should be happy that there are skinheads today, you still can hang out with and share your stories with... cause without us nobody would care about you, or your "once happened skinhead fashion" anymore, when you are gone some day... just my 2 cents... and now back to topic.. wink.gif


We will never fade and die whatever you try to do
We're the first of today and the last of tomorrow
Skinhead's not a fashion it's a way of life (Combat 84)
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I left school in '79 and became a skinhead as a result of the 2 Tone explosion. That and having a gang of scooter riding mates who where either mods or skinhead.

 

I was one of a number of skinheads that dressed sharply, and where as meticulous with our attire as budget would allow. I had a blue/bronze tonic suit, crombie, loafers, brogues, Ben Sherman shirts and Fred Perry polos. Believe me, we where not in the slightest but scruffy. I was also into The Jam as well though, from before the "mod revival", and my style evolved more along the mod style. I moved away from the skinhead look as politics creaped in.

 

It was an easy transition as the main differance at the time between skinhead and mod was a couple of inches of hair.

 

In retrospect I realise that the style of dress we adopted at that time was influenced by the styles of the mid to late 60s ie the period when mod was evolving into skinhead.

 

And Lasttye, no offence, but my generations experience of being skinheads/mods  is every bit as relevant as yours. It was every bit as "real".

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Every now and again ek77/Spilla you come on here with a dig...what the fcuk do you know about British working class from any period...what do you know how we lived ,our sense of humour...you are German for fcuk sake...You can never understand.

This thread is about Skinheads 68/71....can you not see that mate.

Spilla everything you say means jack shit to me. what the fcuk do you know about 60s Britain...This thread is not only about Skinheads its also about British social History.
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Originally Posted by ek77 View Post


nothing new to offer??? hahahaha... for you "originals" it was just a short living fashion and you left it all behind in 71 and even nearly forgot about it, till you found some "new" skinheads on the internet and got a platform for your old stories.. here or on any other skinhead group/page made by "revivalist kids" like the ukskinheads board or a lot of skinhead facebook groups...
these so called "revivalist kids" made a way of life out of your short living fashion, formed their own bands, brands, labels, etc and this is the reason why you still can go out to northern soul, ska and reggae do´s in 2013 and dont have to sit at home all alone with nobody interested in your old stories...
i´m sick of your posts that all none originals or all none londoners are scruffy and this "skinheads only happened once and only in london" shit...
you guys (especially you roy, cause i never heard this from any of the other originals on here) should be a bit more grateful that you can share stories of your past and that we young ones keep this thread goin with our interest and our questions.. we young ones really appreciate these stories from the past, and so you also should be happy that there are skinheads today, you still can hang out with and share your stories with... cause without us nobody would care about you, or your "once happened skinhead fashion" anymore, when you are gone some day... just my 2 cents... and now back to topic.. wink.gif


We will never fade and die whatever you try to do
We're the first of today and the last of tomorrow
Skinhead's not a fashion it's a way of life (Combat 84)

Combat 84 - Seig heil ..  what a bunch of racist shit they were .

post #11565 of 18913
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post


The girls back then had nothing to go on so they just copied the Boys...and had their hair cut a little longer, the feather cut developed from this over a few months into 69.

Stafford was really a mod town,and the transition from mod on through,though accepted,was not taken on in every aspect by everyone.The girls haircuts was one area that the "severe" crop was not universally adopted.There was a couple of Girls who stood out.Tina G and her mate Gina T.They used to follow the Wolves and hang out with the Temple St crew I believe.They emulated the lads in every way,rarely wearing skirts,cropped hair,DM's and always with a sneer!
I liked the girls,but never really liked that hard look on them.I think that they took it on primarily because they were girls that were in the minority,in that they followed the Football ,which most girls didn't?
Edited by Gsvs5 - 3/30/13 at 11:20pm
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