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post #11521 of 18457

I know what it was in 69, only a kid but it was a fashion, most of my slightly older uncles, aunts and cousins were skinheads and it even impact on kids like me who were 8 or 9 - but I was a kid and wouldnt claim to be a skinhead then no matter what clothes I wore and haircut. But you didnt really answer my question, it would have been your perception of what was happening in 77-84 rather than experience. As I've said in another post it wasn't just one wave but a number, based on the year, the age of the people involved and even location - met many over the period from Paisley to Ferryhill to Coventry who looked the part. I also do know about the soulscene in London,even as a suedehead and into the mod scene I still drank in Hoxton, Hackney Road and Bethnal Green and most of my mates were into it, some going to the Goldmine etc. My brother, who became a skinhead at the same time as me but stopped after awhile, used to drink at all of these places in 78 and up the Edward at the Angel and over Tower Bridge Road and the Blue and they, not being soul boys or skinheads or mod, had their own look, like  many other blokes in these areas, straight jeans and cords - think fiorucci was in around 78/79? - lacoste, burberry macs, kickers amongst other brands and their look for me influenced the later casual look. I know a bit about the Casuals as well as into the early 80s many of us from 77-78 had evolved in  the football casual scene - a quite a few went into the later rave scene. Appreciate your comment on aspirational dressing but why do you think that a good many in the period in 77-84 into either skinhead or mod also didnt have this approach? That was what is was all about for many of us. Does that mean that all in the soul boy scene looked great? I'd beg to differ on that seeing what some of my mates wore! and listening to Patrick Juvet, good help us!

 

The bonehead look, for my two pennyworth, is probably that some didnt want the traditional look and wanted something of their own, more aggressive, possibly influenced by the politicalisation of some at the time.... my personal hate around that time was the growing number around the West End, glued up and begging, looking like punks and then the facial tatoos... wasnt part of my scene but unfortunately if you ask some today on what a skinhead is it will be that image or a nazi bonehead that figures highly

 

Personally wouldn't listen listen to either Roy Ayers or Bad Manners.... Bad Manners were exactly what they looked like, a Top of the Pops band for younger kids. 


Edited by TomMc666 - 3/29/13 at 4:39am
post #11522 of 18457
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Originally Posted by TomMc666 View Post

I know what it was in 69, only a kid but it was a fashion, most of my slightly older uncles, aunts and cousins were skinheads and it even impact on kids like me who were 8 or 9 - but I was a kid and wouldnt claim to be a skinhead then no matter what clothes I wore and haircut. But you didnt really answer my question, it would have been you perception of what was happening in 77-84 rather than experience. As I've said in another post it wasn't just one wave but a number, based on the year, the age of the people involved and even location - met many over the period from Paisley to Ferryhill to Coventry who looked the part. I also do know about the soulscene in London,even as a suedehead and into the mod scene I still drank in Hoxton, Hackney Road and Bethnal Green and most of my mates were into it, going to the Goldmine etc. I know a bit about the Casuals as well as into the early 80s many of us from 77-78 had evolved in  the football casual scene - a quite a few went into the later rave scene. Appreciate you comment on aspirational dressing but why do you think that a good many in the period in 77-84 into either skinhead or mod also didnt have this approach? That was what is was all about for many of us. Does that mean that all in the soul boy scene looked great? I'd beg to differ on that seeing what some of my mates wore! and listening to Patrick Juvet, good help us!

 

The bonehead look, for my two pennyworth, is probably that some didnt want the traditional look and wanted something of their own, more aggressive, possibly influenced by the politicalisation of some at the time.... my personal hate around that time was the growing number around the West End, glued up and begging, looking like punks and then the facial tatoos... wasnt part of my scene but unfortunately if you ask some today on what a skinhead is it will be that image or a nazi bonehead that figures highly

 

Personally wouldn't listen listen to either Roy Ayers or Bad Manners.... Bad Manners were exactly what they looked like, a Top of the Pops band for younger kids. 

Look im sorry if i can across a bit arsey Tom , ill refrain from using the Bonehead word for now  . I was to young in 69 to afford the clobber and to old in 78 to be a Skinhead although the Soul boy look that started in 74/75 seemed a natural progression from Smoothie / Suedehead .

post #11523 of 18457

Not a problem, and no offence taken.... my apologies if I look like I was biting back! And I agree there were a lot of boneheads around, it wasnt a style I liked and the politics, well I was hated by by the left and the right - remember being outside the Birdcage on Sunday afternoon in 78 when that mug Joe Pearce, the Leader of the Young NF came up to me and 2 of my mates with his group of minders and told us that we couldnt be real skinheads unless we were NF..... we told him what to do with his comments and he couldnt get out of there quick enough!

 

Think that this main issue really around age at the time. I can see how moving into to the soul scene was a logical step. 

 

Tom


Edited by TomMc666 - 3/29/13 at 5:16am
post #11524 of 18457

This was posted on facebook yesterday, not sure its been on here?

We've made out that its Bolton, not the year. Is that the style with the berets mentioned further back?

post #11525 of 18457

This was also posted, looks like part of a set of the Coventry photos, not sure about the gooner on the left!

post #11526 of 18457
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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post

Agreed.Plus I certainly would never have chosen that look for myself in '79.By that time there was just so many choices and availability of style to choose from that simply was not around ten years earlier.The Glam rock era had pushed the envelope and made a lot of unimaginable things acceptable.I' am friends with a number of people in the fashion business from Italy/Spain/US etc and they all cite London as the number one City for inspiration.We have such a rich History and back catalogue to plunder,and (generally) no longer feel the need to belong to any one particular style.I saw Bowie interviewed a number of years ago on the Jay Leno Show.Talking about the huge impact the U.K has on style ,he said something to the effect of "Yeah...stick two English boys in a room together and the conversation would probably go like - "Nice strides mate....Paul Smith ? "
The Boneheads followed the quite common mistake of men buying and wearing clothes that are slightly too small for them to the extreme.In fact they took the whole look to the extreme and completely fcuked it up for me visually.The splattered bleached jeans probably was the hardest pill to swallow as they were an iconic item to us that were revered and cared for with the utmost respect.I suppose that was due to Punk?

Bleached jeans were around in the earlier days you know. It wasnt just a BONEHEAD thing.
post #11527 of 18457
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Originally Posted by TomMc666 View Post

This was posted on facebook yesterday, not sure its been on here?


We've made out that its Bolton, not the year. Is that the style with the berets mentioned further back?

Id be interested in knowing what year this was. Looks early to me, but as Flyfronted has probably seen. Not a smart dresser amongst them.

If you wern't around in the skinhead cirlcles in late 70s early 80s then you couldnt possibly say there were no smart skinheads around and that they were all scruffy. I have seen my fair share of scruffy skinheads from the early days. But i wouldnt be so anal as to say that all early skinheads were scruffy.
post #11528 of 18457
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Originally Posted by harrysgame View Post


Id be interested in knowing what year this was. Looks early to me, but as Flyfronted has probably seen. Not a smart dresser amongst them.

If you wern't around in the skinhead cirlcles in late 70s early 80s then you couldnt possibly say there were no smart skinheads around and that they were all scruffy. I have seen my fair share of scruffy skinheads from the early days. But i wouldnt be so anal as to say that all early skinheads were scruffy.

 Northerners mate what do you expect . Look all i can do is go from my memory - if i had seen smart  Skinheads in 78 -80 then i would have been impressed .

post #11529 of 18457
Never remember seeing them in my area ,but then again just look at the amount of people who say they never saw grandad vests.lots of Grey areas I suppose?
post #11530 of 18457
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Originally Posted by TomMc666 View Post

This was posted on facebook yesterday, not sure its been on here?

We've made out that its Bolton, not the year. Is that the style with the berets mentioned further back?

Yes, that's the Bolton photo I was thinking of when I posted about berets a bit back. I'd stick my neck out and date it at 1969 on the basis of the beret and most of the boots I can see look to me to be the general heavy numbers (hobnails, steel toecaps etc.) that were popular in the Greater Manchester area at that time.

post #11531 of 18457
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Originally Posted by harrysgame View Post

Id be interested in knowing what year this was. Looks early to me, but as Flyfronted has probably seen. Not a smart dresser amongst them.

If you wern't around in the skinhead cirlcles in late 70s early 80s then you couldnt possibly say there were no smart skinheads around and that they were all scruffy. I have seen my fair share of scruffy skinheads from the early days. But i wouldnt be so anal as to say that all early skinheads were scruffy.


I have said this before...I thought Skinheads ended around 70/71.... although I did see some boneheads 78?up the North End Road..standing around with Martin Webster of the NF...I just walk past thinking they was Punks.
Its only about five years ago that i discovered that Skinheads are still around and have been so since the late 70s....I have not a clue what it was like...but have made many fiends who was there and have learnt from them...it must have been a great time for them as it was a great time for us Originals....and if you ask anyone about when they was 15/17 i bet they would all say they had a great time...
The best years of our lives whatever you was into.smile.gif
post #11532 of 18457
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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post

 Northerners mate what do you expect .

 ... and anyone from Manchester would see Bolton as a world apart biggrin.gif

post #11533 of 18457
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post

 

I wore mine to the last home game!

Glad to hear that roytonboy. I stopped wearing mine around 71 out of superstition as we had some rotten results when I wore it. The "skullcap" had a luckier run for a few seasons until we lost at Wembley in 74. These days I prefer a small pin badge of the old round City logo that was on the programme cover in 69; suits my vintage and reminds me of those happy days.

post #11534 of 18457
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Originally Posted by TomMc666 View Post

This was posted on facebook yesterday, not sure its been on here?


We've made out that its Bolton, not the year. Is that the style with the berets mentioned further back?
I'm guessing '69 for similar reasons to above but also cos they won the cup winners cup that year (so had summet to celebrate).
Various clothes and shoes left over from the mod times. They don't all look bad .... just most of them.
And that lad at the front with his arms out - street urchin. Although you often find tagged onto many groups, a mouthy hard-nut with no style and not a half decent outfit to his name.
post #11535 of 18457
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Originally Posted by buttons View Post


I'm guessing '69 for similar reasons to above but also cos they won the cup winners cup that year (so had summet to celebrate).
Various clothes and shoes left over from the mod times. They don't all look bad .... just most of them.
And that lad at the front with his arms out - street urchin. Although you often find tagged onto many groups, a mouthy hard-nut with no style and not a half decent outfit to his name.

Agree with your comments, buttons, but I think Bolton won nowt (as they'd say locally) in 1969 and were down towards the bottom of the old Division 2 - so maybe they were celebrating avoiding relegationbiggrin.gif

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