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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post

That's a funny thought Lasttye because I was hanging around some Mods and druggies in the Midlands at that age !
My first visit to the West End was also around that time - albeit in the safety of daytime.We got to go down to Wembley with the school for the Schoolboys International matches.needless to say that was nothing more than a shopping trip for us scallywags.We never saw a ball kicked.As soon as our teachers had left us on our own we shot off,about half a dozen of us ,'UP" the West End.First stop was Tottenham Court Rd and a visit to Contempo in Hanaway St.Then a couple of hours wandering the length of Oxford St in awe.When you think of the provincial towns we were from and then to be in Oxford St in those days,it was amazing.Take 6,Lord John,Ravel etc didn't exist in our world back up the M6.This started a trend for the next few years untill a couple of lads got nicked for shoplifting I believe and that put an end to it.I don't remember what year it was,but I recall buying a little bunch of Cherries that the Girls pinned on their coats,as a gift for my Sister.That was a big fashion item at the time,but it may have been 71 0r 72 I think?




My Missus used to wear a Cherry Brooch like that-about `70/`71
post #11492 of 18629
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post

 

Virtually every northern town had a Soul Club or at the very least a venue where this type of music was played, catering originally for mods, they continued through the skinhead era because the demand was still there. A lot of snobbery out there regarding "Northern Soul" . When we went out to Soul clubs  the northern classics were played (now known as 60's Soul Club Classics) but so was Sam Cooke, The Crystals, Motown and other stuff that would be dismissed out of hand by "Northern Soul" fans today.

 

Nothing pisses me off more than when I mention Stafford  and Soul together and it immediately gets associated with post Wigan All nighters.There was a very good and healthy Soul scene going on in the clubs and youth centres years before.I personally never went to Wigan and was turned off by most of what I was hearing.Even kids from school who years earlier had took the piss out of me for my tastes were going up there.The notoriety of both The Wheel/Wigan and also the demise of others was Drugs.That's what got the headlines.The Wheel also had a reputation for the chance that you may well be relieved of some personal items on your way between the club and the Station.It happened more than once to lads I knew.

Just like wearing a Sheepskin away to Everton !  

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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post


I agree the later boneheads did look like punks and many of them would have been punks to start with....I know one thing for certain if i was 15 in 79 ...I would have been a bone head,biggrin.gif

The Soul / Jazz funk scene was huge in London / south east in 79 .. much better option and dressing smart in modern clobber much nearer to original skinhead ethos than Bonehead / Oi Oi scruffs.

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Originally Posted by harrysgame View Post

I repeat not all revival skinhead were of the punk variety. I know and knew many who were just as smart as any skinhead pictures i have seen from the 60s. I also have met some people who still claim to be skinheads from the original days who clearly have no idea how to dress smart.
Its all genralisation. I have also seen some very smart and pretty sorts from the late 70s who dressed immacutely.

Maybe they were BUT i dont remember ever seeing any Bonehead/ Revivalist kids in 79 who looked half decent - feel free to make me look stupid by putting up some pics .

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My Missus used to wear a Cherry Brooch like that-about `70/`71

 

All the girls in our town had them.Funnily enough they all seemed to loose them around the same time?rotflmao.gif

 

Couldn't resist that one browniecj !

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I'm a musician.Soul music is one of my biggest influences(I can play it pretty well as well)First browniecj is correct.Jamaica made some great soul records.The B-side of "Israelites" is a great soul tune.Derrick Harriott does a song by Dan Penn.It's the only version of the song I've found.Winston Jones(the Gaylads)Put out a single mid 60's.One side is a C&W song and the other side is a slow soul ballad(west indians love C&W music)As far as Northern Soul,most of it was third rate indie label/studios imitating better stuff.The soul obsessives had found all the good records and started looking into the stuff that was less memorable etc.There is not an infinite amount of these records.Eventually they run out as only a certain number of tunes was recorded and pressed.Just my opinion.Not tryin to step on toes.Cheers

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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post

 

All the girls in our town had them.Funnily enough they all seemed to loose them around the same time?rotflmao.gif

 

Couldn't resist that one browniecj !

One thing i remember the older 15 something LOL Skinhead girls carrying was baskets .. small wooden ones in which they carried there school books ? WTF was that all about .

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One thing i remember the older 15 something LOL Skinhead girls carrying was baskets .. small wooden ones in which they carried there school books ? WTF was that all about .

Mmmmm......Wicker ones?

I very, very,vaguely recall my sister using one,but I think it was mainly used on days when she had a domestic Science class.Primarily to carry home the cooking experiments !

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can I ask, were you actually involved in anyway with the skinhead or mod revivals? How do you know what the ethos was? As for being a soulie or jazz funk, not a choice for many of us, too much like normal

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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post

True but i in 68 / 69 i was to young to be a well dressed Skinhead by 78 / 79 when the Boneheads turned up to my trained eyes they looked all wrong . More like Punks than Skinheads - hair far to short , trousers far to high and DM's touching there knees and jeans so tight it looked homoerotic . Also looking at the pics of the sorts on here 67 -71 they all look really ladylike and sharp .. the daft birds with dyed crops and blokes clobber of the revival era were a turn off ..  only my opinion of course 

My post in response to your original post on this hasnt appeared yet.... anyway, what revival are you talking about? 77-79? 79-83? Or 84 onwards? Within each of these how you dressed  - from skinhead to suedehead to mod to two tone/rude boy and to bonehead, depended on a number of factors including age, location and even politics. Many of the boneheads and even the two tone lot were much younger than us - we were 17-19 in 77 - and in 79 and 80 the media latched onto very simplistic images of both skinhead and mod and many young kids - under 15 and we certainly wouldnt want to be hanging about with them  became one or the other (or both!).  As for the punk crossover, the 77 skinhead revival in looks followed the original style but adopted Sham, Menace, Cocksparrer and the early incarnation of Skrewdriver. Many by 78 moved into the mod revival and in 79/80 had begun the change to proto-casual... We changed because to us it was a form of elitism, like the way we hunted down the old clothes and records in 77 and then started getting suits made etc. In 79 our enemy as well as Teds and Soulboys now included many of the boneheads and the political types.

 

I suppose thats the issue, there wasnt just one revival and each year saw a number of different strands. Also many didnt want to be like the Teds and live in a museum, many took it and made their own interpretation

 

As for the girls at the time, I agree from 79/80 onwards there was a more masculine look but in 77-78 there were quite a few in London who looked no different form the photos you mention - Bev, Toni and Julie are great examples. 

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I remember reading his Column,in "Blues and Soul" and thinking W.T,F?It seemed to me(in the very early 70s) that People were going backwards in their choice of Music.I remember seeing the Adverts for Va Va`s in Bolton and others(with the Artists Names and Record Titles written around the edge of the Advert).Some of the Records I remembered from listening to Clubs in London-during the mid/late 60s.Not all played Chart Soul,and that was down to the American Servicemen then the laterJamaican Influence.I have one or two Blanks of Soul Records,made in Jamaica,that are not easily recognisable "Soul" Records.Owen Gray,Jackie Edwards and Jackie Opel(to name a few)made good Soul Records-that were heard in Jamaican Clubs.

Did you go to the Seabright or the Norfolk? A good article here on them here  http://www.village-soul.com/page10.htm

 

Remember going to the first, I think, of the 6TS nights at the Bedford in 79, me and a few of my mates stood out like sore thumbs as we were suedeheads or mods and most were much older and normal. 

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in terms of what the public looked like in 77-78 some good examples here

http://z12.invisionfree.com/StandUpSitDown/index.php?showtopic=3768

well worth a look!

 

at the same time - I was still going over Spurs before going over West Ham in 79 - I looked like this for a few months in 77 before becoming a suedehead, I dont think I looked like a bonehead and I know that the Hoxton, Becontree, Mile End, the Bow, the Swiss Cottage and the Ladbrooke Grove didnt look like boneheads.

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Some of my mates in late 77/78 - before them moved into mod, Johnny Butler, Gary Dickle, Glenn Murphy Jnr age 2, Vince Riordan (later of the Rejects) and Binnsy - who stayed a skinhead until the mid 80s, all of the Sham Roadcrew in late 77/early 78. Photo taken in the old Bridgehouse 

 

 

Johns A day in the life article that was in Sounds is here http://www.skinheadheaven.org.uk/index.php/cuttings/69-a-life-in-the-day-of-a-skinhead


Edited by TomMc666 - 3/28/13 at 12:33pm
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in terms of what the public looked like in 77-78 some good examples here

http://z12.invisionfree.com/StandUpSitDown/index.php?showtopic=3768

well worth a look!

 

at the same time - I was still going over Spurs before going over West Ham in 79 - I looked like this for a few months in 77 before becoming a suedehead, I dont think I looked like a bonehead and I know that the Hoxton, Becontree, Mile End, the Bow, the Swiss Cottage and the Ladbrooke Grove didnt look like boneheads.

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Some of my mates in late 77/78 - before them moved into mod, Johnny Butler, Gary Dickle, Glenn Murphy Jnr age 2, Vince Riordan (later of the Rejects) and Binnsy - who stayed a skinhead until the mid 80s, all of the Sham Roadcrew in late 77/early 78. Photo taken in the old Bridgehouse 

 

 

Johns A day in the life article that was in Sounds is here http://www.skinheadheaven.org.uk/index.php/cuttings/69-a-life-in-the-day-of-a-skinhead

Way Cool.They look pretty Traditional.The wee one is great.Can you tell me why they moved into Mod from here?Thanks for the post.

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Yankmod,

A wrote this on another forum a few years ago

In London, by 76/77 there were only a few skins about, people like Terry Madden from Swiss Cottage and Binnsy from Arsenal  and a couple of years above me at school. I was a punk in 76 and in 77, I bumped into a bloke in full skin regalia, sta-prest, Ben Sherman, Crombie and Loafers! A bit of a shock to the system, the last proper skins I remembered , at the age of 10-11 being my Uncles and cousins - 69/70 smart. The decison was simple, move away from something I'd enjoyed to being different and sharper. At first being a skin was class, everyone who got into it went looking for the right gear, visiting every old tailor and army surplus etc hoping to get Ben Shermans (in the 'wooden' boxes') Sta-Prest. To my and my mates in Hoxton, we preferred loafers and brogues rather than boots, look smarter and just as hard. Hair was a No.2 with the classic razor parting. I raided my uncles old rooms for records and original Shermans, levi staprest, harringtons, suits....found the usual Tighten Up Volume 2 and loads of Pama and Bluebeat....but better still tons of Tamla and Stax, led to me spending a fortune since then!

At first, and this was the same as the 78/79 Mod Revival, it didnt matter where you were from, but you were a skinhead.We met the Archway Skins (Suggs and Toks), Becontree (Nelson and Lawrence), Croydon , Kilburn (Joel McBride), Bow and Canning Town ('H', Hodges). Away from the grounds, football and poliitcs didnt matter. We'd meet down Brick Lane on Sundays, looking around for records and clobber and then off for a beer. But the politics started to move in and, as the first lot of revival skins were a fairly hard bunch, more and more of the plastic skins started arriving to latch onto it. Shave your head? Tattoo..on your neck and face? Big Boots and Flying jackets? At football skins started to make a big return... 

 

We were around 17-19 and I suppose with more and more becoming skinheads, we wanted something different, not to be associated with the kids and others noe becoming skinheads. Me, I became a suedehead, I think I was the only one about for a couple of years. Many started to get into the mod scene that was starting in mid-78, again a small scene..... the look was good, the mod revival bnads such as the Chords, the Purple Hearts and Secret Affiar were good.

Some of us started growing our hair and thought of ourselves as suedeheads,and many were already into the emerging mod scene. I remember when we coached up north to see the Jam at Saddleworth and Secret Affair at Huddersfield, the culture shock between us and the Northern Scooter Clubs with their flares, parkas and beer cloths sewn on the back of parkas to dry their seats. We thought they were scruffy hippies and they thought we were poofs with our 501s, suits, ben shermans and short hair. The London look was eptomised by the Glory Boys (the Glory Boys Album Liner)who followed both Secret Affair and the Jam...and later the Rejects. In 78 and 79 seemed to pick up again with new bands and the same 'community' atmosphere'....What was funny was that the glue skins now seemed to think anyone in a suit was a mod and ready for a battering, something they found out wasnt true (the Rejects at the Electric Ballroom, first trying to dig me for a mohair suit - said I was a soulboy! -ending with them getting a battering from the Rejects and us, thier roadcrew, and then later that night, when feeling brave and thinking we'd all left, they started playing football with a young kid around the floor in a parka, which led to us clearing the place out). They were hard times, there were rows at most gigs... it wasnt just the politics.... 

It sounds elitist, but as it became more popular, then it started to go downhill for many of us. As mohicans and begging did for punk (no one was a mohican in 76/77), the glue sniffers and idiots did for skin, for mod it seemed that Poison Ivy etc and mail order (just wear a parka, be a mod) started to do it for mod....sounds snobby I know but was the way it was. 

The last big event I can recall was the August Bank Holiday at Southend in 1979, where skins - of the various kinds about then -, mods, punks, teds etc all seemed to fight with each other (See Garry Bushells original Sounds article and Kims article in Maximum Speed). The mob I was with were based around West Ham and were after the Teds and Skins (they looked a disgrace to us...read the fanzine Hard as Nails for some excellent piss takes as Harry and his Skinhead girl (typical glue sniffing idiots)get transported back in time to 69....as a mob of 69 sharp skins are transported to 79). That night we went to the Paddocks on Canvey Island to watch Secret Affair. 

As the 80's arrived many of the old skin and mod firms, especially from East London, had moved into the football casual scene........Some of us were getting old and moved on 

 

sorry about the white on black text. 

 

Tom

 


Edited by TomMc666 - 3/28/13 at 1:10pm
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in terms of what the public looked like in 77-78 some good examples here

http://z12.invisionfree.com/StandUpSitDown/index.php?showtopic=3768

well worth a look!

     Very Sad.Not a smart one among the lot.

     They certainly they liked their Donkey Jackets in that '78 period didn't they.

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