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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post


Come to think of it, the police were probably acting unlawfully, nicking bootlaces and braces. I remember thinking that at the time, but none of us mouthed off about it.

Apart from talking my way out of getting nicked for trying to bunk into the cinema in Lewisham through a back exit (which wasn't really 'mouthing off' apart from the fact that I remember grinning at one of the coppers and saying, "Come on, mate, if someone had really seen us from a window, you wouldn't be just talking to us, you'd be taking us down the station"), the only time I can remember anyone complaining about something was when my mate Mark decided he was going to march into the police station to complain about something. I remember going with him. I remember he was as angry as hell. I remember his complaint wasn't listened to.

But I can't remember what he was actually complaining about! I must be getting old.

Does anyone else from 'back in the day' remember any times when someone actually 'talked back' to a copper?

I still bloody do talk back to them, and write letters of complaint to all and sundry if they are like the ignorant twats we encountered in Margate a few years ago.

 

And they still ignore the public entirely, despite all their new-fangled 'customer charters' etc.

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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post


Does anyone else from 'back in the day' remember any times when someone actually 'talked back' to a copper?

 

 

We never really had the opportunity to ‘talk back ‘to the old Bill

 

But a few memories / incidents have come to mind

 

9 of us being in the dock for ABH and Affray – fortunately the affray charge was dropped and we each got fined £20 each = 2 weeks gross wages at the time – probably about £1000 for a teenager today. When my mate was asked “how much are you prepared to pay” he replied “10 shillings a week your Honour “and the magistrate replied “£5 a week” – so much for giving an answer

 

We had a local town copper who had it in for us young skinheads and would pull up in his Panda and drag us over and tell of something that had occurred and informed us that we were going to get the blame so what did we want “a nicking or a kicking”. Of course we took the couple of slaps -it saved us money and he thought he was something – fool. Most of us belonged to the local boxing club so his digs were ‘water off a ducks back’

 

There was also a CID officer who was of the same ilk - a bully and he was a bent copper and in later years his house was raided by his own and it was rumoured that it was like an ‘Aladdin’s Cave’ with all the stuff he had taken off villains. He got his comeuppance by getting banged up.

 

One of our lads got married at eighteen and on his stag night we ended up smashing the windows of a local ‘fashion shop’ and making off with Ben Shermans and tonic suits to wear at his wedding. We were soon being chased by the Old Bill in a Panda car and three of us made off up a dirt track leading to lock up garages with the car in tow. What a great moment when we are clambering over a 6 foot wall at the end and the Panda car got stuck in the alley and the coppers could get out of the doors and were left bashing the doors against the walls at the sides of the alley. Great talking point at the wedding reception in our ‘new attire’

 

Another time in a ‘disco’ pub it had all kicked off with another skinhead gang as we were on their manor when some older blokes moved into break up our scrap and they made the mistake of shouting out they were plainclothes police officers and we were to stop immediately. All of a sudden the 2 gangs that were fighting each other just stopped and we all steamed into the Old bill. This resulted in serious injuries to the Police and that night anyone dressed in skinhead clothes were dragged in to cells and given a hiding. Only a few of our lads were dragged in but lots off innocent strangers got a good hiding for doing nothing. The lads of our gang that were caught ended up at the Old Bailey resulting custodial sentences but no grasses

 

Loyalty was very strong among skinheads back in the day

 

I haven’t thought of those events for years. I have no qualms with the Police and I believe they do a good job but 40 odd years ago things and the way of thinking was a lot different

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Ace of Eights Thank for sharing that story.... About the best account of a real Skinhead from back in the day.. that I have read on here....
I never knew one real Skinhead that was never nicked by the Old Bill.
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New member's posts are moderated for approval, they won't appear immediately. It's an anti-spam measure. PM one of the mods see what they can do about it, tell them who you are.

He's an old member who has had problems and had to sign on as a new member. I'll pass this info along to him by email.
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I was nicked twice, and was lucky enough to walk away without charge twice.
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All this chat about caffs reminds me about the pie and mash shop I used to go to in Deptford. I can't remember what it was called but the pies were gorgeous. It was closed by the early 70s.

South of the River we usually met in Wimpy bars, I'm afraid, or the snack bar of the Lewisham bowling alley.
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All this chat about caffs reminds me about the pie and mash shop I used to go to in Deptford. I can't remember what it was called but the pies were gorgeous. It was closed by the early 70s.

South of the River we usually met in Wimpy bars, I'm afraid, or the snack bar of the Lewisham bowling alley.

I thought the Wimpy was the better alternative to the greasy spoon back in the day.  The Wimpy was clean and the 'special grill' was my favorite then and is today.  I remember at 16 being quite proud to take my girlfriend into the wimpy and order for us both as if  I did that all the time.  it was affordable

 

We soon made it a regular meeting place for Sunday  afternoons before going to the pictures.  One time we got a bit gobby to the staff and a very large, heavy mustached Cypriot? came charging out from the kitchen and kicked the table clean in half - this lot were determined not to take any crap from us Herberts.  They gained instant respect as they did not ban us, but just showed us how far we could push our luck.  At that time it was the only new and clean place to go so we did not want to 'cut our nose to spite our face'

 

I think back then the greasy spoon you associated with work and not where you would take your girlfriend for a bite to eat.  The only other place then was the Chinese but then you was into a proper meal and a bottle of 'Blue Nun' - pricey

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Originally Posted by Bob the Badger View Post


 Pie and mash shops seem to be thriving in Romford. I know of at least three there. If you went to the one in the high street then that is practically next door to Mintz and Davis (long since gone) where many of us bought our first Ben Shermans. Brideshead has mentioned the shop before on this site.

Yes that is the one.Romford itself seems to have gone down the Toilet(have not been there for many years).The Market was a ghost of itself.Oh!well.....

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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post

Maria's cafe in Borough market for a giant Bubble bap ..  you wont be able to walk for a week.

Have not been to Borough Market for years either-will try Maria`s.
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Originally Posted by Aces and Eights View Post

I thought the Wimpy was the better alternative to the greasy spoon back in the day.  The Wimpy was clean and the 'special grill' was my favorite then and is today.  I remember at 16 being quite proud to take my girlfriend into the wimpy and order for us both as if  I did that all the time.  it was affordable

We soon made it a regular meeting place for Sunday  afternoons before going to the pictures.  One time we got a bit gobby to the staff and a very large, heavy mustached Cypriot? came charging out from the kitchen and kicked the table clean in half - this lot were determined not to take any crap from us Herberts.  They gained instant respect as they did not ban us, but just showed us how far we could push our luck.  At that time it was the only new and clean place to go so we did not want to 'cut our nose to spite our face'

I think back then the greasy spoon you associated with work and not where you would take your girlfriend for a bite to eat.  The only other place then was the Chinese but then you was into a proper meal and a bottle of 'Blue Nun' - pricey

The only problem with the Wimpys was that,being Franchised,no two were the same quality.I went into some and they were good,went into others and they were crap.


The wise boys never got nicked by the Old Bill,they never hung about long enough.They did the damage etc.,and were gone.smile.gif
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Have not been to Borough Market for years either-will try Maria`s.

Borough Market is not what it was. It is trendy central now.

I have had a pint and a breakfast in the Southwark tavern when it was still a fruit and veg market. I also used to regularly use the Wheatsheaf which was a great pub. In former times, it was fairly deserted in the evening just the smell of old cabbage lingering.

Nowadays it can be like Piccadilly Circus and it attracts foodie types rather than people who want ordinary fruit and veg. I think Maria's is long gone - not that I used it in the old days.
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Borough Market is not what it was. It is trendy central now.

I have had a pint and a breakfast in the Southwark tavern when it was still a fruit and veg market. I also used to regularly use the Wheatsheaf which was a great pub. In former times, it was fairly deserted in the evening just the smell of old cabbage lingering.

Nowadays it can be like Piccadilly Circus and it attracts foodie types rather than people who want ordinary fruit and veg. I think Maria's is long gone - not that I used it in the old days.

I found that with Brixton Market,Kingstonian.When I used to go there there was a vibe about it,now it has been sterilised with Trendy Eateries.When did that happen????
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I found that with Brixton Market,Kingstonian.When I used to go there there was a vibe about it,now it has been sterilised with Trendy Eateries.When did that happen????

I don't know. Exmouth Market is nothing but food stalls and now Leather Lane market has gone the same way - not much stuff, but loads of stalls knocking out all sorts of exotic grub at £5 upwards. There must be better money in it.
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post


Yes that is the one.Romford itself seems to have gone down the Toilet(have not been there for many years).The Market was a ghost of itself.Oh!well.....
 

In the last five years there has a sharp decline in Romford shopping centre. Many now travel to Stratford to shop. I still know one or two older people, without cars, who buy fruit and veg in the market but they tell me that the place is a real dump and it is depressing to go there..When I was young the Romford area was considered slightly posh. A bit like Ilford. Today Ilford is third world and Romford is going that way. I think they call it progress!

Incidentally I bought my first Monkey Jacket (that's what we called them) in the indoor covered area, off the market, called Rumford (correct spelling) Market.That was in about 1967/68. It used to be possible to barter with the two Jewish brothers who ran the clothes shop. I loved that jacket, slightly oversized and in brown. By 1970 you couldn't buy a monkey jacket but every kind of knock off Harrington was available.The shop that was the predecessor of Debenhams was a source of Many Mod/Skinhead clothes including macs tootal scarves etc.

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Originally Posted by Kingstonian View Post


Borough Market is not what it was. It is trendy central now.

I have had a pint and a breakfast in the Southwark tavern when it was still a fruit and veg market. I also used to regularly use the Wheatsheaf which was a great pub. In former times, it was fairly deserted in the evening just the smell of old cabbage lingering.

Nowadays it can be like Piccadilly Circus and it attracts foodie types rather than people who want ordinary fruit and veg. I think Maria's is long gone - not that I used it in the old days.

No marias is still there all the market workers use it . I love Borough market - YES its very middle class and middle aged ...  bit like how i turned out .

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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post


I found that with Brixton Market,Kingstonian.When I used to go there there was a vibe about it,now it has been sterilised with Trendy Eateries.When did that happen????

Again - i love Brixton market ..  http://www.bukowski-grill.co.uk/find-us/bukowski-brixton-market/  http://www.francomanca.co.uk/  http://wishbonebrixton.co.uk/

for a food lover like me whats not to like .

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