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The cafe above was in the Edgware Road near Paddington police station. I remember being in there with the rain pouring down outside shortly before it closed for good.

Cafes were places you could spend time without spending a lot of money. I avoided the juke boxes and pinballs mostly.

Recently I started using cafes more when firms started closing their own catering facilities to cut costs.

Andrews in the Grays Inn Road is one of the few good ones left; but I only eat in caffs now. The ones up town do not have jukeboxes and pinballs anyway!

http://www.classiccafes.co.uk/
post #11282 of 19152
This one is good one if you are ever in Putney Fulham
http://www.classiccafes.co.uk/rivercafespecial.htm
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This one is good one if you are ever in Putney Fulham
http://www.classiccafes.co.uk/rivercafespecial.htm

Looks like a traditional Pie and Mash Shop smile.gifsmile.gif In the early to mid 60s,it was the Coffee Bars then the Cafes took over.Thw Jukeboxes were always full of the stuff you liked-if the Owner was "clued up".

The Beatles were a Marketing Commodity in the early 60s,once People had bought the Wigs etc.,it died out.The Stones came on the Scene and everything changed-Cuban Heels and Rock and Roll were out,and American Rythmn and Blues in.To the Mods I knew,they never related to the Beatles(I know on other Forums they have discussed whether the Beatles were Mod-er No!).To say that the Beatles influenced Fashion until the late 60s,is probably a dream that a Scouse Music Writer thought up.Their Music maybe(Sgt.Peppers) but not the rest.
post #11284 of 19152

Sam Smiths pubs are worth a look if you've never been in one - because they make and sell all (and i mean ALL) their own drinks - all the cola, lemonade, tonic, the stout, the bitter,the lager, etc.no brand names. And they all have hokey 'made up' brand names - they're not labelled 'Samuel Smiths cola', etc

This at least was the case when i last remember going in one a couple of years ago - i hope it hasn't changed.

 

Quite a strange experience the first time you see it, 

 

Crew neck t-shirt under the shirt is nothing to do with the UK - but it is proper Ivy. Given Yankmod is not trying to be a skinhead there's no reason he shouldn't do it.  

 

FAO Browniecj and Lasttye: I popped into Village Gate in Guildford yesterday, the owner was in there and we had a brief chat. He didn't actually refer to himself as an old 'business partner' of John Simons but he did work in the Ivy Shop when he was 18 (now 64) - not sure how long their association was. The current stock leans toward 'country gent' - he says by autumn its going to go in a more trad Ivy direction but nothing like as strict as J.Simons.

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Sam Smiths pubs are worth a look if you've never been in one - because they make and sell all (and i mean ALL) their own drinks - all the cola, lemonade, tonic, the stout, the bitter,the lager, etc.no brand names. And they all have hokey 'made up' brand names - they're not labelled 'Samuel Smiths cola', etc
This at least was the case when i last remember going in one a couple of years ago - i hope it hasn't changed.

Quite a strange experience the first time you see it, 

Crew neck t-shirt under the shirt is nothing to do with the UK - but it is proper Ivy. Given Yankmod is not trying to be a skinhead there's no reason he shouldn't do it.  

FAO Browniecj and Lasttye: I popped into Village Gate in Guildford yesterday, the owner was in there and we had a brief chat. He didn't actually refer to himself as an old 'business partner' of John Simons but he did work in the Ivy Shop when he was 18 (now 64) - not sure how long their association was. The current stock leans toward 'country gent' - he says by autumn its going to go in a more trad Ivy direction but nothing like as strict as J.Simons.

Studio First...I think their was a connection with J Simmons....The lad you was talking too was probably the owner of a previous shop in Guilford called Harrigtons....I bought some clobber out of there years ago, I thought his shop was better than the Ivy Shop Richmond before it closed down early 80s.smile.gif
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on the subject of ivy....i think skinhead has something to do with ivy, but ivy nothing to do with skinhead..if that makes sense.

 

on the subject of cafes.,. I can full reccomend the shithole that is :

 

 

AppleMark

 

ANTONIOS cafe - Being from Leeds but going to manchester quite a bit (always a soul doo on every weekend without fail)  i can fully endorse this timewarp 70s style cafe, rang by a flat nosed hard polish/ukraine/eastern europe (?) Antonio. Located just outside picadilly station.  Considering the amount of shit this cafe most get at a night, i for one, would not mess. It looks like the kind of place where they keep a hard blunt bat with nails in it behind the counter. And Antonio just looks hard.

 

 

AppleMark

 

 

 

The breakfast (?) is the best thing youll ever have after dancing none stop at a all nighter etc and your clothes are disintegrating due to 4 bucket loads of sweat. Got to love a proper greasy spoons.cheers.gif

 

 

(photo of breakfast ripped from some guys blog who bloggs breakfasts he eats apparently, hope he doesnt mind.)

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(photo of breakfast ripped from some guys blog who bloggs breakfasts he eats apparently, hope he doesnt mind.)
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(photo of breakfast ripped from some guys blog who bloggs breakfasts he eats apparently, hope he doesnt mind.)
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you know what people are like now...

they all want credit for photos, who took the photo of the breakfast, where it was took, what day it was..what the weather was like...or they all start sueing for copyright.

The best breakfast i get is a greasy spoons opposite my work, where she makes me : cup of tea, 2 slices toast, 4 eggs, 4 rashes bacon, 2 sausages, 2 hash brown, beans, mushrooms, tomato and a black pudding. £4. worship.gif  Cooked breakfasts and proper beer !!! thats what Britain is all about...!

post #11289 of 19152
Spot on McDermott..Some of us knew about Ivy...But over in Ivy League America they knew fcuk all about us London Skinheads. Two of my older mates was so obsessed with Ivy they would spend a fortune buying American clobber from Austins here in London.
I have had a life long obsession with American Ivy ever since.
post #11290 of 19152
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Spot on McDermott..Some of us knew about Ivy...But over in Ivy League America they knew fcuk all about us London Skinheads. Two of my older mates was so obsessed with Ivy they would spend a fortune buying American clobber from Austins here in London.
I have had a life long obsession with American Ivy ever since.

It,s the same with Soul music.I work with predominantly Black guys from Newark,of all ages.I ask them about different artists from the past and they are clueless.I was having a conversation with a guy who Is a jazz nut and I mentioned Weather Report.There were a group of others who looked at me bewildered,when the guy I was talking to said "these cats won't know who your talking about man"
There are a lot of things here that have shattered my illusions.
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on the subject of ivy....i think skinhead has something to do with ivy, but ivy nothing to do with skinhead..if that makes sense.

 

 

Well said McDermott.Succinct.I like the breakfast as well.

post #11292 of 19152
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Looks like a traditional Pie and Mash Shop smile.gifsmile.gif In the early to mid 60s,it was the Coffee Bars then the Cafes took over.Thw Jukeboxes were always full of the stuff you liked-if the Owner was "clued up".

The Beatles were a Marketing Commodity in the early 60s,once People had bought the Wigs etc.,it died out.The Stones came on the Scene and everything changed-Cuban Heels and Rock and Roll were out,and American Rythmn and Blues in.To the Mods I knew,they never related to the Beatles(I know on other Forums they have discussed whether the Beatles were Mod-er No!).To say that the Beatles influenced Fashion until the late 60s,is probably a dream that a Scouse Music Writer thought up.Their Music maybe(Sgt.Peppers) but not the rest.

I agree with you browniecj.The Beatle's were a little old to be Mods.They did wear the clothes cause the clothes were cool.The whole world eventually adopted the look.Like you say the Beatles advertised the look (along with the rest of the british invasion) I think the only genuine (and original) Mod in the british invasion was Charlie Watts

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Originally Posted by McDermott View Post

on the subject of ivy....i think skinhead has something to do with ivy, but ivy nothing to do with skinhead..if that makes sense.

on the subject of cafes.,. I can full reccomend the shithole that is :




AppleMark


ANTONIOS cafe - Being from Leeds but going to manchester quite a bit (always a soul doo on every weekend without fail)  i can fully endorse this timewarp 70s style cafe, rang by a flat nosed hard polish/ukraine/eastern europe (?) Antonio. Located just outside picadilly station.  Considering the amount of shit this cafe most get at a night, i for one, would not mess. It looks like the kind of place where they keep a hard blunt bat with nails in it behind the counter. And Antonio just looks hard.


AppleMark




The breakfast (?) is the best thing youll ever have after dancing none stop at a all nighter etc and your clothes are disintegrating due to 4 bucket loads of sweat. Got to love a proper greasy spoons.cheers.gif



(photo of breakfast ripped from some guys blog who bloggs breakfasts he eats apparently, hope he doesnt mind.)

I was in that Café just after Christmas-after meeting Little Queenie and Ancillotti for the last Fri. night at the Twisted Wheel.You don`t need a Bat,there is an old Woman there-who is quite lethal smile.gif
post #11294 of 19152
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Originally Posted by yankmod View Post

I agree with you browniecj.The Beatle's were a little old to be Mods.They did wear the clothes cause the clothes were cool.The whole world eventually adopted the look.Like you say the Beatles advertised the look (along with the rest of the british invasion) I think the only genuine (and original) Mod in the british invasion was Charlie Watts

Charlie Watts always was very smart.Yes he was a traditional Mod.Apparently his Record Collection was quite something then.
The Beatles became mainstream-even Mums and Dads started liking them .My Mum did not though,she liked Mick Jagger(I think if she had been younger,she would have been a right raver!!! smile.gif).As it was,Mum liked all the Records that were bought-if we were not there,she would put them on herself.How did we know about this-my Dad used to moan continuously smile.gif



I know I have had the Ivy Shop Experts say it was not the case,but Simons advertised his Ivy Shop as being "American" Style why would he call the shop that name,if not???I still like some of the Ivy Look.
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I'll try to put the photos in..... When I was 17, It Was A Very Good Year

 

 

1960-1963

 

The early 60s – Searching for something

 

Beatniks, ‘Trad Jazz’ the remnants of ‘skiffle’, Ban the Bomb, these were all influences on teenagers at the time. I’m sure many were searching for some kind of identity (again, anyone know any better out there?) Some of these were seen as ‘intellectual’ or something of interests to students but none the less  I remember my sister at the age of 14 wearing an anorac and a ‘Ban The Bomb’ badge in 1962 (to be replaced by the suade jacket and ski pants of the mod girl 2 years later!) Of course to many the Rock ‘n’Roll look still prevailed or the ‘New Latin’ look of Italian Jackets and Cuban Heeled boots (or a mixture of the 2).

 

 

 

 

 

 

This all changed when the Beatles emerged in 1963 and Britain became the most ‘Fab’ place on earth for a year or three. This was Beatlemania and very soon became mainsream culture –  fringed hair, tailored suits (collarless ‘Beatle’ suits) ankle boots with heels, polar necked sweaters, with skirts for the girls gradually getting shorter, not yet truly ‘mini’.Whilst the Beatles were undoubtedly leaders of fashion up until the late sixties, this was not a look that you ‘belonged to’, it was just something that was happening. Until Easter 1964. This was the weekend when the newspapers and telivision carried reports of ‘trouble’ between rival groups of youths at Clacton  - the Mods and the Rockers. The effect of this was almost instantaneous and by the following Bank Holiday in May it seemed as if the whole of Britains working class youth had split itself into one or other of the two camps and there was trouble at a number  of resorts involving hundreds of teenagers. I can remember, as a 9 year old, mock fights in the playground at Byron Street school between the ‘Mods’ and the ‘Rockers’, such was the impact of these events.

 

 

 

1964- 1968

 

Rockers

 

There were Rockers in Royton (quite a few actually) though I don’t recall that many motorbikes. This was the ‘tough’ look of the lads who worked in the mills (remember them?!?). Still into Rock ‘n’ Roll, hair style had hardly changed since the late 50s. Did they have a favourite ‘caff’ in Royton where they would all meet? (the sort of place where the daughters of ‘respectable’ families were forbidden to go!) Ages of Rockers would be 16 up to possibly early 20s and their big thing was the ‘bike’- speed (doing a ‘ton’- 100mph). Rocker girls wore heavy make up, back combed hair, either ‘biker gear’ or short skirts (a bit like Cher on a bad day!) and generally looked a bit ‘slutty’ (though if any of you are reading this I’m sure you were nice girls really!) The Rocker look hardly changed through the sixties but they all wanted to project a tough, macho image, which many of them were prepared to live up to. 

 

 

 

 

 

The Mods

 

The Mod ‘look’ had started to grow up in the early 60’s in London, but probably was quite unknown anywhere else until the Bank Holiday disturbances of early 1964. The major difference with Mod was that it was an ever evolving cult, styles changed, haistyles came and went and musical preferences switched in the endless search to be ‘with it’ (though actually the true Mods wanted to be ahead of it!). The media coverage brought thousands of kids into the Mod fold, and of course the highlighted trouble brought a new kind of mod, not the dandified, (to the Rockers, effeminate) sharp suited  stylists of its origin, but the masses of working class kids who were happy to dress in Levis, Fred Perry’s and suede ‘desert boots’, mount a scooter and go looking for the action. Image was everything to the Mod and everything had to be ‘right’ – the right clothes, with the right labels, not just any old scooter – Lambrettas were the order of the day in Royton, with the right ‘decorations’. Of course not everybody had a scooter. For a start you had to be 16 to ride one, and there weren’t that many  in Royton.

Lots of kids aspired to be Mods however and the high street shops catered for their tastes. Some styles remained throughout thou, Parkas, Levis and 3 button, narrow lapel jackets (very 60s). Mods could be aged from 15 upto about 20 though most were 16 or 17.  Pop culture both lead and was influenced by Mod Style which evolved from this kind of look in 1964 

 

 

 

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Through to this kind of look in 1966-67

 

 

AppleMark

 

 

 

 

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The search for the new lead to different music styles being adopted through the years, R & B, Ska (or Bluebeat as it was known), British Beat groups and Soul, whatever was seen to be cool and could be danced to. The Mod years were really 1964-1966 though people were still refered to as Mods as late as 1968.

 

Next time – Mod gives birth to the hippy and skinhead.

 

 

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