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Originally Posted by Bob the Badger View Post

Our 'fashion' came from the streets. No marketing, no advertising, all word of mouth. Not anti-fashion but anti-fashion people telling us what was 'in' or 'groovy'. We picked up on what other smart boys were wearing when visiting the Dance Halls , football terraces, pubs, clubs and school. That's what was so good about it. It belonged to us. No one dictated to us what to wear. We were our own fashion police.

When you think about it the Skinheads weren't anti establishment or rebels, Most of us was good lads at heart,came from good homes, knew the right from wrong..was disciplined. smart in our appearance, and loyal to our mates, We may of cause mayhem for a couple of years but most of us ended up leading pretty ordinary lives afterwards, some fell by the wayside but thats life in general.smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post


When you think about it the Skinheads weren't anti establishment or rebels, Most of us was good lads at heart,came from good homes, knew the right from wrong..was disciplined. smart in our appearance, and loyal to our mates, We may of cause mayhem for a couple of years but most of us ended up leading pretty ordinary lives afterwards, some fell by the wayside but thats life in general.smile.gif


That's right. We were just young lads out for having a laugh and a good time. I'm more anti establishment now than I was then. When I got into trouble then I knew I'd done wrong and took the consequences. My dad was always telling me not to bring the Police to the door and on the few occasions that I did he would have a go at me in front of them. I usually got off with a warning. That might have been dads tactic. Don't think that would happen today.

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Originally Posted by Bob the Badger View Post

Our 'fashion' came from the streets. No marketing, no advertising, all word of mouth. Not anti-fashion but anti-fashion people telling us what was 'in' or 'groovy'. We picked up on what other smart boys were wearing when visiting the Dance Halls , football terraces, pubs, clubs and school. That's what was so good about it. It belonged to us. No one dictated to us what to wear. We were our own fashion police.

Of course there was advertising and marketing  .. theres a pic of a HUGE Levi Sta prest advertising bill board at stamford bridge a few pages back . Ben Shermans were sold in the best high st shops not in some hidden away place only known by the elite few .

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Originally Posted by Bob the Badger View Post


That's right. We were just young lads out for having a laugh and a good time. I'm more anti establishment now than I was then. When I got into trouble then I knew I'd done wrong and took the consequences. My dad was always telling me not to bring the Police to the door and on the few occasions that I did he would have a go at me in front of them. I usually got off with a warning. That might have been dads tactic. Don't think that would happen today.

Exactly the same for me, I fcuking hate this Country , My Dad said the same to me about the Police, When I first got nicked the Old Man came in the Old Bill Shop and chinned me, He said now you have a Police record they will not leave you alone , and it will fuck you up in the future with jobs or if you wanted to live in Australia, he was so right.
Well he was right regarding Australia, Years later The Australian Army was recruiting I applied and got a knock back.
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Of course there was advertising and marketing  .. theres a pic of a HUGE Levi Sta prest advertising bill board at stamford bridge a few pages back . Ben Shermans were sold in the best high st shops not in some hidden away place only known by the elite few .


  When I bought my first Ben Sherman in 1968 I only knew of two shops locally that sold them. By late 1969 there were many more shops. Thats when I started wanting the American import shirts. I remember that the styles moved fast. One month you had to go to the Squire shop to buy a decent Harrington and within 6 months knock off copies were being sold in every street market. I was wrong to say no Marketing/Advertising but on visits to Stamford Bridge we noticed more what the Chelsea boys were wearing and paid little attention to the billboards. The media were always playing catch up and getting it wrong.

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I hear you loud and clear Lasttye.Lotta great stuff but I don't know we want to get into the bitterness and disapointments.The older you get the more disapointing society appears.The thing that bothers me about change is I got no say or influence in the change.It's imposed on us by the Powers.That is one of the cool things about Skins (and Mods before)They controlled the change,they made the new.They had the confidence to make changes on thier own.That is one of the appealing aspects of this subculture.

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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

Bob the Badger,
We are the same age, I am also bitter, The White working class have been destroyed in this Country and the main cause is mass Immigration, also back in the 50s60s The unskilled was put to work in the Factories..and earned a decent wage, they closed the factories and these people never worked again creating what it now called the underclass, Now they are destroying the Skilled Working class by mass immigration from Eastern Europe, driving down wages, working conditions,and skill levels.

My Mum and Dad could not afford Skinhead cloths for me..so I had a Evening and Saturday job working in Mr Patels Supermarket, We all had jobs back then, and once we left School we could afford Bespoke Suits, Crombies etc..it was a glorious time.

The Skinheads was really the last White Working class Cult/Fashion..it will never happen again, because our Culture has been destroyed.

This is a variation on what I was saying several hundred pages ago. 'You never had it so good' as Harold MacMillan said. There was plenty of work in 1969 and things were looking good for the future.

I think you were focussed on people not having very much in the late 60s. But they could always earn a pound or two and things were becoming more affordable.

The immigration aspect is true.Globalisation is another reason. There is no reason we have to let so much foreign-made stuff into the country - despite what the free trade crowd say. Nor do we have to offshore jobs - the French do not allow that to happen. It all creeps up on people, They close a mine or steelworks and it only affects Wales and the North. Then they get more greedy and sell off nationalised industries to profiteers. They tell you it will be more efficient and you will make money on British Gas shares. They waste North Sea oil revenues to keep people on the dole. Then the oil money runs out....
To some extent we are to blame for letting them get away with it. This American comedian is spot on. It applies to the UK just as much the US.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
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Originally Posted by Charlie Kasso View Post

I apologise if this has been touched on before, but were there skinheads for want of a better word who completely shied away from the boots and braces ('68-70 era)? Some of the clothes, especially the American Ivy-stylings, are so smart and the working-class element of boots and braces could tarnish an otherwise clean-cut look...I realise it was a particularly UK twist, as we like to do, but perhaps some purists really disapproved ?

I never had boots or braces. I never had machined hair either, I had a crop.
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

Another nice pair of shoes My Crockett & Jones, Cordovan Onslow, bit like Gibsons.
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Fantastic shoes, those Crockett & Jones Cordovan Onslow, lasttye. I've had a pair of the same in black for about 10 years. Probably the most comfortable pair of shoes I've ever had. Can't beat Cordovan; seems to fold to your foot rather than crease.

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Blimey 50 odd posts to read tonight, good stuff, a few posts have mentioned Teds so i'll throw this pic up of me old man circa 58/9, if people are interested ive got some more.

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Originally Posted by Kingstonian View Post


This is a variation on what I was saying several hundred pages ago. 'You never had it so good' as Harold MacMillan said. There was plenty of work in 1969 and things were looking good for the future.

I think you were focussed on people not having very much in the late 60s. But they could always earn a pound or two and things were becoming more affordable.

The immigration aspect is true.Globalisation is another reason. There is no reason we have to let so much foreign-made stuff into the country - despite what the free trade crowd say. Nor do we have to offshore jobs - the French do not allow that to happen. It all creeps up on people, They close a mine or steelworks and it only affects Wales and the North. Then they get more greedy and sell off nationalised industries to profiteers. They tell you it will be more efficient and you will make money on British Gas shares. They waste North Sea oil revenues to keep people on the dole. Then the oil money runs out....
To some extent we are to blame for letting them get away with it. This American comedian is spot on. It applies to the UK just as much the US.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

I agree with Kingstonian on Globalization.I could make a long list of examples why it's not working.I think it was a swindle and sadly some folks believed in it.Returning to a more localized economy is proving to be an added cost.Wait a minute,aren't skinheads glue sniffing muggs?Some intelligent ideas bein expressed to the contrary.As for immigrants my dad is a refugee(and my cousins and aunts and uncles) and I agree with M.O.M.The Immigrant is the one bein fucked and passin it along to the natives.Lets not forget,creating division is the job of those in power.I can't speak about the UK.I know you've had your fair share of troubes with the immigration situation.The US is ALL immigrants,even the Indians.So it's a little different for us.TA

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Originally Posted by Bob the Badger View Post

As a new boy on this site I didn't want to get too political myself but I felt it had to be said. I know some of my mates have experienced the ageism thing where you are considered to be too old at 50. Lots of experience going to waste. I am also bitter because I imagined a bright future for the following generations and it hasn't happened.
Back to the clothes, some nice shoes pictured in the previous posts. I used to wear a black pair of American import tassled loafers for school !

I am 63,so ready for the "Knackers Yard"(according to Employers).Yet we have more "Work Ethics" than a lot of People.I am not going too Political-but as I have moved around the Country,I have seen home grown Talent being sidelined for a cheaper(and not that good)Workforce.

Most of my old Clothes were worn to Work(at a later date).Hence,you saw(around `71) Long-Haired Ex-Skinheads wearing rolled up Mohair Trousers etc knocking them out at work.I know I wasn`t the only one.smile.gif

When my Dad came out of the Navy he got rid of his"De-Mob" Suit and got a "Made To Measure" pretty sharpish.In some Areas,the Spivs got beaten up by the returning ex-Servicemen(because they did not do their "Bit").smile.gif
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A lot of posts to catch up with. Before reading them all, I'll say that Roy is right.

 

What shocked me a couple of years ago, going to see a museum exhibition about Mods, was how commercial the whole thing eventually became -- lots of firms cashing in on the 'craze' in the early- to mid- '60s. Shoes, magazines, books, clothes, TV programmes, etc. A bit like Punk became, I guess. I don't think that ever happened with skinhead, not really. It was too 'dangerous' (as far as the media and marketing people generally were concerned). There were a few examples like Ben Shermans being plugged, but they, I think, were just part of the general fashions at the time.

 

Today, we are witnessing a very different phenomenon -- now global brands like Dr Martens, Ben Sherman, Fred Perry, Baracuta etc being mostly owned by foreign firms. Their prices have gone through the roof, often the quality has fallen, and these firms are re-inventing their brand histories and styles while cashing in on their British heritage purely for marketing purposes.

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Originally Posted by Basset View Post

Blimey 50 odd posts to read tonight, good stuff, a few posts have mentioned Teds so i'll throw this pic up of me old man circa 58/9, if people are interested ive got some more.

Very cool pic Basset.I guess you never had a chance when it came to being involved in a sub culture.Your dad was probably a good example.

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Originally Posted by Basset View Post

Blimey 50 odd posts to read tonight, good stuff, a few posts have mentioned Teds so i'll throw this pic up of me old man circa 58/9, if people are interested ive got some more.


Good Picture Bassett.When I was going out with my "soon to be" Wife in `70,her Brother-in Law was an ex Ted out of Brixton.He showed me his Threads(which were hanging up in his Wardrobe).Very smart Fella.He did not think much of the "Revival" Teds that were becoming popular then.
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