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Originally Posted by Brideshead View Post

I agree. Why is it when skinheads are depicted that the author / journalist always seems to select especially unattractive examples? Skinheads were often immaculate and yet these are seldom seen in the images that remain today.

It didn't suit the image they wanted to portray of us, and that's that.
post #10382 of 18619
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

Scruffy Bleeders smile.gif

Typical Pompey, Col. smile.gif
post #10383 of 18619
DM is a typical work/sportswear brand that has transformed into a “lifestyle” label. I bought a pair of Made-in-England Vintage boots last year, the first pair in 15 years and the leather already cracked, even though I don’t wear them often.

I have noticed a similar strategy among several English heritage brands: Prices increase, quality decreases, money is put into marketing to come over as an authentic streetwear brand and make people believe the products are still as good as in the 60s.

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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

I remember Dr Martins in 69 as supple and comfortable, you could wear them all day, I bought a pair of Made in England Dr Martins Three years ago, my first pair since the 60s cost £135, still cant break em in.. so uncomfortable,
I have been wearing boots non stop everyday for over 40 years, Skinhead, Work, and Army, I found Timberland boots and Rocky American Military boots as the most comfortable.
post #10384 of 18619
It struck me about the age thing - a couple of years seemed to make a big difference. I can remember when I was 19 I swapped my sheepskin for a leather coat. The other bloke was 17. I can't remember what the problem was, but there was one and both our dads got involved; money had to change hands and the coats swapped back again. I can remember my dad referring to him (not to his face - my dad was too decent for that) as a 'lying little seventeen-year-old'. I can remember thinking at the time that was a bit odd, because we were only two years apart and that didn't sound like much. But when you stop and think about it, it did seem to make that difference.
post #10385 of 18619
Yes, a two year age gap seemed huge to me back then.

Going back to the Portsmouth second picture, the caption implies that the close-cropped hair was relatively new for that crew. If so, another example of how far apart we were. Roy, I'm sure was starting to grow his by then!
post #10386 of 18619
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Originally Posted by Bullitt View Post

DM is a typical work/sportswear brand that has transformed into a “lifestyle” label. I bought a pair of Made-in-England Vintage boots last year, the first pair in 15 years and the leather already cracked, even though I don’t wear them often.

I have noticed a similar strategy among several English heritage brands: Prices increase, quality decreases, money is put into marketing to come over as an authentic streetwear brand and make people believe the products are still as good as in the 60s.

Correct. I've had three pairs of MiE in the last few years and despite more TLC than I've ever given older (original British) DMs, the leather of all has cracked. The shoes are almost unwearable because of it.

 

What's more the stitching that holds the leather together has come unpicked on one boot (Superglue repair), the inner bit that strengthens the heel has cracked up and fallen apart in two pairs of boots and the soles in all three have worn down in no time. I'm wondering whether the Chinese-made DMs are better. confused.gif

post #10387 of 18619
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Originally Posted by Watermelon man View Post

Correct. I've had three pairs of MiE in the last few years and despite more TLC than I've ever given older (original British) DMs, the leather of all has cracked. The shoes are almost unwearable because of it.

Not surprising, I'm afraid. The last pair I bought was in the mid-90s, and they were already cutting corners by then well ahead of the move to China.
post #10388 of 18619
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

It struck me about the age thing - a couple of years seemed to make a big difference. I can remember when I was 19 I swapped my sheepskin for a leather coat. The other bloke was 17. I can't remember what the problem was, but there was one and both our dads got involved; money had to change hands and the coats swapped back again. I can remember my dad referring to him (not to his face - my dad was too decent for that) as a 'lying little seventeen-year-old'. I can remember thinking at the time that was a bit odd, because we were only two years apart and that didn't sound like much. But when you stop and think about it, it did seem to make that difference.

Back in 69/70 I was the youngest in our crew at 16 and the oldest was 20 / 21.  This caused no problems.  But later when I was 21 ish I would not have anything to do with the up and coming younger lot. 

 

Yet now I have mates from that younger lot and the age difference makes no odds until we talk about the old days and I have to comment 'yeah but you weren't there or you were too young to know' etc.  I am very protective of our era !! 

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What's worse is the absurd price you now pay for this poor-quality footwear. And this is the bog-standard stuff; nothing fancy. For example:

 

Made in China 8i DM: £100

Made in England 8i DM: £180

 

These boots cost less than half of that four years ago. Seems to me that (even allowing for the VAT increase from 15 to 20%) they have been inflating their prices ready for the sell-off of the brand (just as FP, Sherman, British Rail etc did).

 

 

Contrast that with NPS:

 

Made in England 8i Solovair: £110 (but they were only £80 last year!).

 

My worry is that the Solovair brand is going the same way as Dr Martens. Their new web site is beginning to look like a clone of the DM site (similar videos, marketing bumph etc).

post #10390 of 18619
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Originally Posted by Aces and Eights View Post

... 'yeah but you weren't there or you were too young to know' etc.  I am very protective of our era !! 

What pisses me off is people who are pretentious snobs about clothing, music etc who are YOUNGER than I am who did not live through the times.

 

I wouldn't say they have no idea, but they often have very distorted and frankly laughable ideas, and end up looking like complete prats. It's like the bloody Sealed Knot, re-enacting what they believe the '60s and '70s were like smile.gif

 

My own view, for what it's worth, is that anyone can be a skin if they want to be, and good luck to them too. We should be helping others, not making them feel inferior (except when they have completely the wrong idea rolleyes.gif). 

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Thanks for the advice on the DM's fellas, I've never had a pair, so all your comments have been useful. I think for now I will be sticking with my chunky soled Loake brogue boots, penny loafers and Clarks desert boots. On an unrelated tip I picked up a G9 Baracuta today, I never knew a Harrington could fit so well. Its tidy.
post #10392 of 18619
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

Typical Pompey, Col. smile.gif

That was just what I was thinking,M-o-M.I did meet some Portsmouth Skins in the past(off the Leigh Park Estate-which just outside of Pompey),and they were very smart.Got banned from the "Marina" in Portsmouth.But that is a different story.smile.gif
post #10393 of 18619
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Originally Posted by Brideshead View Post

Yes, a two year age gap seemed huge to me back then.

Going back to the Portsmouth second picture, the caption implies that the close-cropped hair was relatively new for that crew. If so, another example of how far apart we were. Roy, I'm sure was starting to grow his by then!

In `69,I met a Portsmouth Skinhead ,who was a Window Dresser-in one of the Shops I was working,and his Style of Dress was a full 1+years behind us.
post #10394 of 18619
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Originally Posted by Aces and Eights View Post

Back in 69/70 I was the youngest in our crew at 16 and the oldest was 20 / 21.  This caused no problems.  But later when I was 21 ish I would not have anything to do with the up and coming younger lot. 

Yet now I have mates from that younger lot and the age difference makes no odds until we talk about the old days and I have to comment 'yeah but you weren't there or you were too young to know' etc.  I am very protective of our era !! 

Agree with you Mate,though at 19 we were considered old men-by the younger Skinheads!smile.gif
post #10395 of 18619

Watermelon man.I agree with both of your posts above.As for browniecj,You nicking yachts again down the marina.I bet thats a good story down the pub on a week night.

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