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post #10276 of 19301
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post


Gabriela,

The clip has been posted on here before off UTube..The Lad talking in the White Ben Sherman, is Dave Nickleson, the other lad talking is Tom Callagan the other lad is Toms Brother, and the lad sitting in the Harrington saying nothing is Phil Mann, all young Kilburn Aggro Mob,
If you go back in the thread I explain about that clip of a 40 mins Documentary about The Kilburn Mob, The girl in the front with Tony is Noreen i was drinking with her just before Christmas.
also the Brum girl at the end of the clip must of come from somewhere else she was nothing to do with the original documentary.

Sorry Lasttye that wasn't what I meant let me clarify.Is this part of a full doc on the Kilburn Aggro Mob or the skinhead clips of a more varied doc.

post #10277 of 19301
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Originally Posted by gabriela View Post

Lots of posts these last days as Buttons says! I arrive a bit late but I will comment anyway, hope you don't mind shog[1].gif

About the terms 'Skinhead' and 'Suedehead', I have two extracts from the 'Yell' section of the IT magazine in which they say they didn't like those names, one is from 21-Nov-1969 (skinhead) and the other one is from 27-Feb-1970 (suedehead, funny one).

21-Nov-1969






27-Feb-1970






Anyway, I guess that even though skinheads in their earlier days didn't call themselves like that, they adopted the name later as you can see in many videos where they say for example "I'd rather be a skinhead than anything else", etc, etc

Gabriela, I was responsible for at least the first of those quotes in 'Yell'. I think that was certainly the attitude of us older skins who had come up through the late mods anyway. I can't recall who came up with the second one, but that's certainly what the newspapers did - any quotes from skinheads/suedeheads etc were in 'Mockney'.
post #10278 of 19301
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

Broken bottles caused more awful injuries than any other weapon, mostly due to the availability of Bottles and Glasses when Lads getting drunk, One minute everyone is having a good time, then the sound of breaking glass, girls screaming, and the lights coming on, Mad.

I had a couple of blokes come after me with broken bottles once, and I'm glad to say I got out of the situation unscathed. But I can tell you it was a bit scary at the time.
post #10279 of 19301
The Pint Mug(part filled with Beer)was a lethal Missile.Again,at the Top Rank Watford,saw two Mobs lobbing these at each other-across the Dancefloor.There was Claret everywhere.Anybody could get hit(and some of the Girls did).At another Club,I was waiting for a drink and a Skinhead came and stood beside me..When I turned with my Drinks,I could see he had been "glassed"in a past Do.It was a bit of a shock.
We have spoken about carrying Weapons(and I for one have done),but when you see the consequences-it ain`t a Game anymore.These incidents I have spoken about got me thinking,it was getting worse going out-as a Skinhead.When you see Girls being helped away from the trouble with Heads bleeding,Legs badly cut etc.You start thinking this is Stupid.That when I started changing.
post #10280 of 19301
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

We have spoken about carrying Weapons(and I for one have done),but when you see the consequences-it ain`t a Game anymore.These incidents I have spoken about got me thinking,it was getting worse going out-as a Skinhead.When you see Girls being helped away from the trouble with Heads bleeding,Legs badly cut etc.You start thinking this is Stupid.That when I started changing.
If i had experienced the aggro getting out of hand like that i would have just done the same.
Like the one smart young skinhead in one of those videos in this thread says. Sometimes a little aggro is alright, but the problem is that sometimes it never stops.
post #10281 of 19301
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

Broken bottles caused more awful injuries than any other weapon, mostly due to the availability of Bottles and Glasses when Lads getting drunk, One minute everyone is having a good time, then the sound of breaking glass, girls screaming, and the lights coming on, Mad.

 You beat me to it Lasttye. I was going to go on and comment on the use of bottles and beer glasses as weapons.  I was on the wrong end of a glass attack on a couple of occasions. Nothing serious as they were thrown from a distance across the pub and it wasn't up close and personal. Once was in  'The Black Boy' pub Stepney Green when two blokes threw glasses at me and a mate as we walked out of the pub with two girls. It turned out the blokes had been buying the girls drinks all night. At the end of the night the girls wanted to dump the blokes and we walked right into their game. We didn't blame the blokes but were angry with the girls when we realized what the problem was. Girls were the cause of a lot of grief during those teenage years.

post #10282 of 19301
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Originally Posted by yankmod View Post

Sorry Lasttye that wasn't what I meant let me clarify.Is this part of a full doc on the Kilburn Aggro Mob or the skinhead clips of a more varied doc.

It was only about the Kilburn, They filmed us over a week in the Youth club and on the High Road, they also interviewed the Police about us, The Documentary was 40 mins long if i remember, It was repeated for years after often on Schools TV for some reason,
The weeks filming ended with the BBC paying for a Reggae Band to play in the main Hall, where you see the Girls and Boys dancing, Also in one corner out of camera is about Twenty Rudies, The only Black lad you see is Everton ..who was one of the Hendon.

Check back a few Hundred pages on this thread Yankmod is all there,smile.gif
post #10283 of 19301
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Originally Posted by Bob the Badger View Post

 You beat me to it Lasttye. I was going to go on and comment on the use of bottles and beer glasses as weapons.  I was on the wrong end of a glass attack on a couple of occasions. Nothing serious as they were thrown from a distance across the pub and it wasn't up close and personal. Once was in  'The Black Boy' pub Stepney Green when two blokes threw glasses at me and a mate as we walked out of the pub with two girls. It turned out the blokes had been buying the girls drinks all night. At the end of the night the girls wanted to dump the blokes and we walked right into their game. We didn't blame the blokes but were angry with the girls when we realized what the problem was. Girls were the cause of a lot of grief during those teenage years.

Yes Girls were often the cause of trouble BtB, The Black Bear Stepney... we use to get in there around 70, We would come out of Whitechapel over the road to the Hospital Tavern, then up to the Black Bear, Then on to the Old Globe and the New Globe i think, we also use to get in a pub off the Mile End Road called the Bricklayers, we knew a Barmaid in there from Poplar that we met on a Caravan holiday in Clacton,
Happy days:)
post #10284 of 19301
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Originally Posted by Bob the Badger View Post

Girls were the cause of a lot of grief during those teenage years.

 

I had forgotten all about those fights.  Yes back then when you were courting you thought it was for life and a lot of our lads got married around 18 - 21.  We were possessive of our girls and anyone moving in on them was looked upon as a personal challenge. 

 

Girls also learned how to wind blokes up at an early age as well resulting in fights due to the girls fluttering their eyes and jealousy raising its head and it all kicks off

 

I am sure its the same to day what ever your age - we blokes will never learn !!

post #10285 of 19301
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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post


No many labels of Casual have become iconic .. Lacoste , Burberry , Ralph Lauren , Armani etc . The young lads who sport that look seem far better switched on than the rest and IMO nearer the ethos of late 60s skins .

True, but I had sportswear and trainers in mind when I typed that rather than the finer items those labels produce.
post #10286 of 19301
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post


Yes Girls were often the cause of trouble BtB, The Black Bear Stepney... we use to get in there around 70, We would come out of Whitechapel over the road to the Hospital Tavern, then up to the Black Bear, Then on to the Old Globe and the New Globe i think, we also use to get in a pub off the Mile End Road called the Bricklayers, we knew a Barmaid in there from Poplar that we met on a Caravan holiday in Clacton,
Happy days:)


I recognize those pubs. We used to start in the Black Boy, cross the junction to the Old Globe then to a pub in the back streets with a nickname 'Old Ma (Bakers?)something' (can't remember the name). Then we usually walked all the way to The Hospital Tavern. May be stopping in at one of the small Irish pubs. One of my mates was a DJ in The Globe, Hospital Tavern and The Beggars at various times between 1970-73. He had the best West Indian record collection around but he went all weird, threw away his records, grew his hair and started playing Hippy stuff. Yes, Pink Floyd etc. When we got cars we moved out of the London scene and started going to places in Essex. I now can't believe we moved around so much. Just as the clothes changed so did the venues.

post #10287 of 19301
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Originally Posted by Bob the Badger View Post


I recognize those pubs. We used to start in the Black Boy, cross the junction to the Old Globe then to a pub in the back streets with a nickname 'Old Ma (Bakers?)something' (can't remember the name). Then we usually walked all the way to The Hospital Tavern. May be stopping in at one of the small Irish pubs. One of my mates was a DJ in The Globe, Hospital Tavern and The Beggars at various times between 1970-73. He had the best West Indian record collection around but he went all weird, threw away his records, grew his hair and started playing Hippy stuff. Yes, Pink Floyd etc. When we got cars we moved out of the London scene and started going to places in Essex. I now can't believe we moved around so much. Just as the clothes changed so did the venues.

Black Boy yes thats another one, We did not go into the Blind Beggar..or the big Irish pub just along on the same side of the road, we use to venture to the Lion&Keys Stratford, always trouble in there,

Like you we went all over London, Most the Kilburn stayed around NW London, But through working on the Building sites I met Lads from all over London,so i got about a lot...
Its funny for all the violence Skinheads got involved in....it was very easy to make mates from all over, Some of my best mates came from outside Kilburn..We would always met under Little Ben outside Charing Cross Station. I even became friends with old enemies..We had our own little crew from all over London, smile.gif
post #10288 of 19301
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post


.We would always met under Little Ben outside Charing Cross Station.

Lasttye

 

Is that the large monument in the station forecourt ?

 

If so I never knew it was known as that.  I must have walked passed it thousands of times !!

post #10289 of 19301
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post


It was only about the Kilburn, They filmed us over a week in the Youth club and on the High Road, they also interviewed the Police about us, The Documentary was 40 mins long if i remember, It was repeated for years after often on Schools TV for some reason,
The weeks filming ended with the BBC paying for a Reggae Band to play in the main Hall, where you see the Girls and Boys dancing, Also in one corner out of camera is about Twenty Rudies, The only Black lad you see is Everton ..who was one of the Hendon.

Check back a few Hundred pages on this thread Yankmod is all there,smile.gif

Sorry Lasstye for making you go over old ground again.I don't remember you naming the guys in the clip before.Would love to find the whole doc.Maybe it's been lost to time.Thanks again.

post #10290 of 19301
found this on fb..

25th May 1970 - Skinheads arriving at Southend Victoria railway station are lined up to receive advice from police not to get into groups of three or more during their spring bank holiday visit to the seaside town. (Photo by Central Press/Hulton Archive/Getty Images)

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