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Man-of-Mystery · Dec 18, 2010

I remember this one from above.

I took very little notice of all the press hoo-hah, because it was mainly everyone's little brother who was doing the fighting/hooliganising.

Man-of-Mystery · Dec 18, 2010

Originally Posted by loempiavreter

Bringing this up again, apparently there was a Skinhead article in Melody Maker, April 69. It was still called "It's a Mod, Mod, Mod, Mod world"?
Remember that one?

I think that was the earlier article - the one where they used the same cartoon, the one that Jason posted a while ago. So it would have been 68 I guess. Unless you know different.

Here are some more cartoons for you guys...

61 pages and counting!

Man-of-Mystery · Dec 18, 2010

Thanks for the steer to the "Original Modernists" Facebook page. The guy on the right...

... is actually Marc Bolan, later of T-Rex.

Man-of-Mystery · Dec 18, 2010

Veering off topic again, but this is a pic from the "Modernists" Facebook page, captioned "Up north 1967". Boy oh boy do I remember girls dressed like this in Blackpool at that time! Hairstyles too.

Darksideoftheforce · Dec 18, 2010

All this talk about mods and skins reminds me of a question someone asked as an alternate history question. "What if instead of the hippie counter-culture, a massive mod sub culture had replaced the hippies as the premiere youth counterculture of the 60s? Does anyone think much would have changed?
I think more political apathy atleast initially. Since mods, (working class hard mods/early skins) tended to be more violent, resistance to the Vietnam War and the military draft I think would have still remained high even among the harder mods/skins. Let's face it, it would have been hard to remain apolitical even for the mods in the US in the 60s right?

Man-of-Mystery · Dec 18, 2010

Originally Posted by Darksideoftheforce

All this talk about mods and skins reminds me of a question someone asked as an alternate history question. "What if instead of the hippie counter-culture, a massive mod sub culture had replaced the hippies as the premiere youth counterculture of the 60s? Does anyone think much would have changed? I think more political apathy atleast initially. Since mods, (working class hard mods/early skins) tended to be more violent, resistance to the Vietnam War and the military draft I think would have still remained high even among the harder mods/skins. Let's face it, it would have been hard to remain apolitical even for the mods in the US in the 60s right?[/IMG]
It was a class thing. Most mods/skins were working class. There were middle class guys (I guess I fitted into that category) and a handful of private-school-boys but not many. Most hippies were middle class. I was against the Vietnam War, for one reason or another anyway. That being said, I should imagine that a lot of the working class kids might well have became active Trades Union members in their working lives... who knows... too many "what ifs".

Darksideoftheforce · Dec 18, 2010

I just wonder how it would affect college activism today.

But personally I think the mod subculture would have been a challenge to turn it into a massive worldwide phenomenon because translating it in its British form to the US would be slightly problematic. For one I heard it was easier and cheaper to get a scooter in Britain at the time than in the US. Unless the US Mods would have translated this particular British mod mode of transport to customized hot rods?

As for clothing the US moved to mass produced clothing earlier, and so there probably weren't enough tailors and seamstresses around to make those smart tailored suits and dresses.

Eitherway if there had been a large mod movement it would probably have entered the US in its neutered less violent and more acceptable venues like the Beatles.

Man-of-Mystery · Dec 18, 2010

Originally Posted by Darksideoftheforce

For one I heard it was easier and cheaper to get a scooter in Britain at the time than in the US. Unless the US Mods would have translated this particular British mod mode of transport to customized hot rods?

I never liked scooters all that much, but would have loved a Deuce Coupe or a Bucket T.

Southlondongent · Dec 18, 2010

Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery

Thanks for the steer to the "Original Modernists" Facebook page.

The guy on the right...

... is actually Marc Bolan, later of T-Rex.

+1 absolutely classic pic dated circa 62 or 63. No targets or parka nonsense.

Wasn't one of the other 2 fella's interviewed in British Style Genius?

Man-of-Mystery · Dec 18, 2010

The documentary certainly featured this picture, but I'm not sure whether they actually interviewed one of this bunch. However I do remember reading the article when it first came out.

(When you get to my age you remember days long gone past but forget where you put your specs...)

Southlondongent · Dec 18, 2010

Originally Posted by Darksideoftheforce

I just wonder how it would affect college activism today.

But personally I think the mod subculture would have been a challenge to turn it into a massive worldwide phenomenon because translating it in its British form to the US would be slightly problematic. For one I heard it was easier and cheaper to get a scooter in Britain at the time than in the US. Unless the US Mods would have translated this particular British mod mode of transport to customized hot rods?

As for clothing the US moved to mass produced clothing earlier, and so there probably weren't enough tailors and seamstresses around to make those smart tailored suits and dresses.

Eitherway if there had been a large mod movement it would probably have entered the US in its neutered less violent and more acceptable venues like the Beatles.

Well there were cliques of kids in the US in the 60's who thought of themselves as Mods though the look was a more Carnaby St based one (think Austin Powers and you wouldn't be too far off!) than the more stylish Ivy/Italian influenced look & the music more Beat/Garage than Soul, R&B etc.

The Rationals from Michigan who did some quite good moddish covers of obscure (at the time)soul/R&B tracks were probably closest to bands like the Small Faces or Spencer Davis Group in music & style.

Powder from Northern California. Kinda Who/Creation style Pop Art.

Get Smart · Dec 18, 2010

Originally Posted by Darksideoftheforce

this a pic of a band? The girl on the far right looks like Kym Clift, who sang for ska band Donkey Show. Had the biggest crush on her back then

there were a lot of early 60s Pacific NW garage bands in the USA that were very "mod" looking and sounding, before it was even a big thing in UK. I dont know what was in the water in Oregon/Washington back then but it spawned some amazing bands that no one has heard.

Get Smart · Dec 18, 2010

Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery

I never liked scooters all that much, but would have loved a Deuce Coupe or a Bucket T.

one of my good friends, who was a mod back in the 80s and was the man responsible for most scooter restorations in this area, currently has a Deuce Coupe, but it's in pieces and needs to be restored. Once he does, the thing is going to one rockin ride.

Southlondongent · Dec 18, 2010

Originally Posted by Get Smart

this a pic of a band? The girl on the far right looks like Kym Clift, who sang for ska band Donkey Show. Had the biggest crush on her back then

there were a lot of early 60s Pacific NW garage bands in the USA that were very "mod" looking and sounding, before it was even a big thing in UK. I dont know what was in the water in Oregon/Washington back then but it spawned some amazing bands that no one has heard.

Dunno about that but it's definitely revival era taken between 77-83. The photographer is Janette Beckman who published a book called 'Made in the UK' covering the varous different subcultures of the time.

NW Pacific legends the Sonics...

Man-of-Mystery · Dec 19, 2010

Originally Posted by Get Smart

one of my good friends, who was a mod back in the 80s and was the man responsible for most scooter restorations in this area, currently has a Deuce Coupe, but it's in pieces and needs to be restored. Once he does, the thing is going to one rockin ride.

What's he using for a mill? Or is it going to be a straight restoration?

(Blimey - how far off topic can we get this thread?)

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