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Originally Posted by Con Seanery

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@ MoM: I sport white laces with 1461 oxbloods all the time. I dont attribute lace color to anything but personal style. With that stated, this is a pretty granular question, but, did people sport color laces in contrast to the footwear in the late 60's? Ive never seen this in any pics from that era (that I can recall), but Im basically talking about the whole white or red laces thing, -just wondering if this was a revival deal.

from what ive been told/read lace color can be attributed largely to the colors of the football team you supported

I asked this of the 68 era skin I know, and he said that if contrasting color laces were worn, it would have been yellow. No one wore white laces in 68/69 to his recollection. Curious to hear MoM's memories about laces....

Con, I think you're right about placing the time to be in the later 70s, makes sense.

^^^Yeah I have read the same thing. I have also been told all manner of crap about what laces mean from peeps that weren't even skins. In '81 it didn't mean anything, at least in L.A.. And yeah, since that time I have even been involved in multiple confrontational dramas while wearing my white or red laces, and for the most part that didn't work out well for the person hitting me up. But that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m wondering if first gen (See: 60’s Hard Mod/Skins) practiced the contrasting laces thing as a style (for whatever reason). Basically, was that seen in the late 60's, or was that a revivalist addition?

LOL GS: You posted your answer while I was writing this post to BarrelMaker.

Regarding lace colours: At the time, in London, I did not notice any contrasting lace colours (with the exception that some red/blood boots did come with yellow laces as standard). I don't buy the idea of football team colours too readily - I guess this might have been a 70s thing, but that's just speculation - because I am imagining a Chelsea boot boy would not be too happy if by putting blue laces in his red boots he was taken for a Crystal Place supporter! "Small Faces" movie: I watched the movie yesterday and loved it as drama (despite the voices not really being Glaswegian - if they had been, no one outside of the city would have understood one word in ten!). Regarding period clothes, however, it didn't really ring true for 1968. Okay that's just my impression, and it is based only on the following. In 66/67/68 when I was still in Blackpool (for all you outside the UK, Blackpool used to be the favourite vacation place for working class people from all over the Northern half of Britain) we used to await with some trepidation for "Glasgow Fortnight". This was two weeks in July when most of Glasgow's businesses shut down and lots of folk went off on their holidays. Blackpool became full of Glaswegians, many of the youngsters were pretty hard, although the ones I met were great blokes. Maybe it was the fact that I mixed with late mods at the time, but I always had the impression that the Glasgow boys were really sharp dressers, mods like us, but maybe with a slight edge of their own. Many of them would be earning good money at the shipyards etc. There would be sharp suits in brown, or navy, or lovat. There would be leather coats to match loafers or brogues. There would be Levi jeans and jackets. If I were to judge the clothes and hairstyles in "Small Faces" against my recollections, I would say that the only things they got "right" were: 1. Doug's parkah (Colin McCredie, best known for his part in "Taggart") 2. The hairstyle of Malky's lieutenant (sorry, can't remember the character's name) 3. The denim jackets. One or two of the "Tongs" wore leather coats. Leather coats of the time would be straight cut, rather like a mackintosh, maybe with a belt or half-belt but maybe not, about knee length. Rather like this semi-Crombie style below. (Boy, did I want one of those - preferably brown with matching loafers!) The tartan scarves were more a 1970s thing (after Rod Stewart and - ugh - the Bay City Rollers started wearing them). Along with denim jackets these scarves were, I believe, also to be found amongst the Protestant street gangs in Belfast, N Ireland.

speaking of denim jackets....MoM how popular were the sherpa lined denim jackets in your day? They've always been popular with my friends, was never sure if guys from your day wore them, or if it was a newer affectation, a melding of the traditional denim jacket with a sheepskin coat.

Originally Posted by Get Smart

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speaking of denim jackets....MoM how popular were the sherpa lined denim jackets in your day?

Not at all - never saw one!

lol, I had a feeling they werent a part of the conversation as I'd never seen an original wearing one. But it was def a popular part of the clobber by the later 80s and 90s.

Greetings,

The post has a wealth of interesting readings, I moved from Weisbaden Germany to the US New England area in 1980. I acquired various hand me downs from older brother, Merc Harrington oxblood DMs, monkey boots, FP shirts during the two tone era. I then followed local bands BossTones, Bim Skala Bim, etc.....and noticed the plaid flannel worn untucked but 501s and boots remaining. Was this a look followed on the West Coast during the same time?

Originally Posted by skacore

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Greetings,

The post has a wealth of interesting readings, I moved from Weisbaden Germany to the US New England area in 1980. I acquired various hand me downs from older brother, Merc Harrington oxblood DMs, monkey boots, FP shirts during the two tone era. I then followed local bands BossTones, Bim Skala Bim, etc.....and noticed the plaid flannel worn untucked but 501s and boots remaining. Was this a look followed on the West Coast during the same time?

I remember that ska era! I even had a Bim Skala Bim sticker on my folder in high school. But I also remember seeing the BossTones at Spanky's in Riverside and was really turned off by their more 'core'-ish sound. (That was just me, though.) At the time, I don't remember skinheads wearing plaid flannels untucked. I remember the look being boots, Dickies, and flight jackets. Where I grew up, that was the main look for skinheads.

Originally Posted by skacore

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noticed the plaid flannel worn untucked but 501s and boots remaining. Was this a look followed on the West Coast during the same time?

that look got more popular in the 90s iirc and is actually still pretty popular today among certain types. plaid flannel shirts worn untucked. not a fan of that, a bit too "skinhead gangsta"

Originally Posted by C3PLOS

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I remember that ska era! I even had a Bim Skala Bim sticker on my folder in high school. I remember the look being boots, Dickies, and flight jackets. Where I grew up, that was the main look for skinheads.

saw Bim Skala Bim a few times in late 80s/early 90, never cared for Bosstones. There were some real stinkers in early-mid 90s American "ska-core" bands. Dickies were def the strides to wear back then, I dont think I wore a pair of jeans from about 1988-1994, only wore tapered Dickies in tan, black or navy.

speaking of American contributions to skinhead wackness, some phrases that *we* popularized that I hate and drives me mental when hearing:
-freshcut
-being "shaved in"
-boot party

Hey M-o-M,
By any chance did you ever adopt any look/new style from the skinhead revival when you got back into it? Also, did you care much for Oi! music?

Dickey Barrett of the BossTones could often be seen in plaid shirt, shorts, and plaid DMs, during those 90s shows, the sound was influenced by a straight edge hardcore band popular in Boston "Slapshot". BossTones I believe even covered one of their songs, very different sound I realize than Bim but I did listen to both. I seem to stretch through a wide variety of ska to include skacore but also enjoy the Melodians or Toots and Maytals (played at patriot place in Foxboro, MA) I guess depending on mood. I believe Barrett now opens a TV talk show and still plays out in Boston every X-mas time along with Bim and Slapshot.

Originally Posted by Get Smart

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that look got more popular in the 90s iirc and is actually still pretty popular today among certain types. plaid flannel shirts worn untucked. not a fan of that, a bit too "skinhead gangsta"

saw Bim Skala Bim a few times in late 80s/early 90, never cared for Bosstones. There were some real stinkers in early-mid 90s American "ska-core" bands. Dickies were def the strides to wear back then, I dont think I wore a pair of jeans from about 1988-1994, only wore tapered Dickies in tan, black or navy.

speaking of American contributions to skinhead wackness, some phrases that *we* popularized that I hate and drives me mental when hearing:
-freshcut
-being "shaved in"
-boot party

How about 'skinbyrd'? Never been a fan of that one. But I'm also not much of a fan of adopting Anglophiliac (is that a word?) slang which a lot of American mods tend to do. Or talking like an extra out of Quadrophenia. "Get in there, my son!" Ugh.

And that 'skinhead gangsta' look was big where I grew up. I started getting turned on to ska in the 9th grade, and overnight, it seemed, all these gangsters got into it as well. They went from shaved heads and flannels, to shaved heads and flight jackets. There was even a 'gang' at the time: 2-Tone Boyz.

-C

Originally Posted by C3PLOS

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How about 'skinbyrd'? Never been a fan of that one. But I'm also not much of a fan of adopting Anglophiliac (is that a word?) slang which a lot of American mods tend to do. Or talking like an extra out of Quadrophenia. "Get in there, my son!" Ugh.

And that 'skinhead gangsta' look was big where I grew up. I started getting turned on to ska in the 9th grade, and overnight, it seemed, all these gangsters got into it as well. They went from shaved heads and flannels, to shaved heads and flight jackets. There was even a 'gang' at the time: 2-Tone Boyz.

-C

Thats what I saw also, shaved heads, and flannels, to shaved heads and flight jackets, I see alot of shaved heads, MA 1s and Sambas out and about now.......

Originally Posted by skacore

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Dickey Barrett of the BossTones could often be seen in plaid shirt, shorts, and plaid DMs, during those 90s shows, the sound was influenced by a straight edge

yea he was the singer of Impact Unit, a SxE hardcore band that played around same time as DYS, SSD, Negative FX etc

Originally Posted by C3PLOS

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How about 'skinbyrd'? Never been a fan of that one. But I'm also not much of a fan of adopting Anglophiliac (is that a word?) slang which a lot of American mods tend to do. Or talking like an extra out of Quadrophenia. "Get in there, my son!" Ugh.

skinbyrd is a good one. have been guilty of using it myself, tho I stopped that ****. haha

funny you mention the "Get in there my son!" quote, I have a mod friend, guy is 49 and down as ****, but LOOOOVES to talk in anglophilia like no one else I know, is ALWAYS saying "Get in there my son!" hahaha, but I love the guy.