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Originally Posted by Foxhound View Post


Why on earth would you spend $2.5K on an OTR suit when you can go B&Tailor to make you a bespoke suit for $2350?

True . But isn't tf cut sort of unique ? And apparently extremely hard to replicate ?
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Originally Posted by wurger View Post

things that look nice on an well cut actor doesn't equal to looking nice on normal body shapes.... mtm or bespoke any day for that price level.

You are right about body shapes and suit cut. I don't know if you still remember from nomad Sydney meet up. I am 37" chest and 27" waist skinny. Apparently tf is all about big chest and slim waist. And 2.5k would you get same quality fabric and construction from mtm or bespoke?
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Originally Posted by suttonzach View Post

007 cred obviously (see also: C&J islays)
Don't think it's 007 creed. Maybe it's just the sale price .
post #54107 of 56369

I didn't even know about TF being big chest/narrow waist. But it makes sense - that's me. [sucks in pot belly]

 

FredAstaire makes a good point about discounted Italian RTW. I've got about six Canali suits - all bought at the Macquarie Street boutique during their various six-monthly sales. Great construction, great fabric, great value but not at full price. I also have a Caruso 3-piece, again purchased at half price during a Harrolds sale. Impeccable suit at the price. My next suit will certainly be a B&Tailor bespoke - Joe has already measured me up but I'm strapped for cash right now - this is the way forward for me but I don't regret any of those RTW purchases, they are all F.A.B. (obscure Thunderbirds reference for the oldies).

post #54108 of 56369

On an unrelated note, something that was raised a few days ago.

 

Proof that Pliny is Australian:

 

 

Check the trees.

post #54109 of 56369
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Originally Posted by md2010 View Post

And 2.5k would you get same quality fabric and construction from mtm or bespoke?

I really would like to know the answer to that too? and also how do you define the quality of fabric and construction? May be Romp?

I could be very wrong but I honestly don't think it's the cost of the fabric is a major factor in determining brand pricing. wouldn't bigger brands get the same fabric cheaper compare to a bespoke or mtm maker based on their buying power too?
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Wurger:fistbump:

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Originally Posted by Coxsackie View Post
 

 

Check the trees.

More like check the goal posts.

post #54111 of 56369
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Originally Posted by md2010 View Post

Cox - you have a tf suit- worth the money ? Every now and then seeing them for sale just under 2.5k. Never been a brand whore. Lately I am feeling the itch to get one. Every time I am not jumping at that sale making me more desperate over time. Please talk me out of it.


No idea about the suits, but Tom Ford Tuscan Leather or Tobacco Vanille are pretty dope. Probably what James Bond would smell like.

post #54112 of 56369
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No idea about the suits, but another man's wife. Probably what James Bond would smell like.

post #54113 of 56369
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Originally Posted by wurger View Post

I really would like to know the answer to that too? and also how do you define the quality of fabric and construction? May be Romp?

I could be very wrong but I honestly don't think it's the cost of the fabric is a major factor in determining brand pricing. wouldn't bigger brands get the same fabric cheaper compare to a bespoke or mtm maker based on their buying power too?

Fabric mainly on look and feel and weave quality/clarity. Hard to write about but I can show you good vs bad cloths and you will gain understanding

Construction really comes down to workmanship... Shaping, hand work etc
post #54114 of 56369
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Originally Posted by FredAstaire1899 View Post

I agree that beyond a baseline quality standard for construction and cloth, that proper fit is the most important thing, and with short arms and large thighs, Harrolds outlet is no good for me. I'm certainly not one for names and 'luxury branding', however at heavy discounts, high end Italian RTW suit makers like Brioni, Isaia, Zegna Couture, D'avenza offer a lot of quality for dollar. Apart from a few of the names that are mentioned regularly here, I think it is very doubtful that you'd find a local MTM/Bespoke option in the $2-3K range that could get close to their quality. I've had multiple different tailors, one who used to work on Saville Row, support this view. Sometimes, RTW opens you up to a great colour, fabric or pattern that you could not pick from a swatch book, and saves you from poor choices.

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Originally Posted by Coxsackie View Post

I didn't even know about TF being big chest/narrow waist. But it makes sense - that's me. [[I]sucks in pot belly[/I]]

FredAstaire makes a good point about discounted Italian RTW. I've got about six Canali suits - all bought at the Macquarie Street boutique during their various six-monthly sales. Great construction, great fabric, great value but not at full price. I also have a Caruso 3-piece, again purchased at half price during a Harrolds sale. Impeccable suit at the price. My next suit will certainly be a B&Tailor bespoke - Joe has already measured me up but I'm strapped for cash right now - this is the way forward for me but I don't regret any of those RTW purchases, they are all F.A.B. (obscure Thunderbirds reference for the oldies).

Thanks Fred / cox. 2.5k is bit much to pay for rtw suit. But if the question is can you get similar quality at this price range?
I am a big fan of rtw- probably be is last few years I have been building my wardrobe, and quality mtm /bespoke cost quite a bit. I agree with cox/ Fred - at half or 1/3 of retail price hard to beat brands like Canali , Caruso , zegna and such. Unfortunately the tf suit at yoox sold out in my size last night. It was at yoox for less than half a day before being sold out.
Was pretty upset for not jumping on the opportunity on the staple mid grey tf suit.But thinking of it now I will probably take my time and try on some at Harold's before making the final decision . And if I really like it I will wait for one on sale on my size.
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Consider yourself lucky. Yoox is an online retailer, right? You would have been buying a $2.5K suit with no guarantee it would fit you or suit you, and without being able to test the fabric by touch/fall.

 

I only bought my TF because it already draped perfectly over my problem zones: shoulders, chest and small of back. Plus the pants stayed on my hips without a belt (important, as they have no belt loops!). I was not in the market for any particular brand on the day, it was just fortuitous and I fell in love with the fabric and got lucky with the fit.

 

Seriously, if I were you and $2.5K is your budget, I'd put TF on the back-burner for now and go bespoke with B&T or Patrick Johnson or some such. Make sure you know exactly what you want in terms of fabric, cut, style etc. Draw the fitter's attention to your problem areas up front. These guys know their onions and you are far likelier to achieve a head-turning silhouette this way.

 

I'm reminded of @lennier who posts here frequently. I've met him personally a few times and his suits fit him like a glove, some of the best silhouettes I've seen. Plain charcoal SB numbers, nothing fancy, but just cut and finished to perfection. Shoot for this result and forget about branding.

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Gents - wha are your thoughts re: pleats? I'm considering having some new trousers made up, and reading the luxire thread a lot of people were talking about single pleats making movement more natural and sitting more comfortable. Even in my M2M pants - which look great standing still - movement is a bit restricted and there's a bit of pocket flare/opening.

 

I have some luxire pants made already, so I have an idea of what I want change (a bit longer, cuffs, slightly higher rise), but maybe a single pleat would be cool too?

post #54117 of 56369
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Originally Posted by DartagnanRed View Post
 

I don't know what you mean most of the time and I'm not sure you do either.

 

You knew exactly what I meant.

 

Just don't make snide remarks about people's spending habits. Yeah, CEP saw a pair of shoes he liked in the morning and bought it that afternoon. Is that exorbitant and indulgent? Maybe. But I don't think that is worth drawing attention to, or commenting on. Instead of saying, 'I wish I could see something I liked and just go ahead and buy it', say something like, 'I wish I didn't have spending habits that resemble the anatomy of a fish'.

 

6 people liked your reply, really?


Edited by JimmyHoffa - 9/3/14 at 4:50pm
post #54118 of 56369
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Originally Posted by LonerMatt View Post

Gents - wha are your thoughts re: pleats? I'm considering having some new trousers made up, and reading the luxire thread a lot of people were talking about single pleats making movement more natural and sitting more comfortable. Even in my M2M pants - which look great standing still - movement is a bit restricted and there's a bit of pocket flare/opening.

I have some luxire pants made already, so I have an idea of what I want change (a bit longer, cuffs, slightly higher rise), but maybe a single pleat would be cool too?

I like pleats.

Like most things it's nice to have a mix of pleats and flat fronts in the wardrobe.

Although the uber binary world of SF will try and dictate one or the other.
post #54119 of 56369
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Originally Posted by JimmyHoffa View Post
 

 

You knew exactly what I meant. I just don't like people being whingey on a forum that they can't buy something because they don't have the disposable income for it, when they do, they just choose to save it, or put it to other uses. Hence why comments like, "wow I wish I could see something and just buy it, but I can't because I don't have the means to" gives me the shits. You could buy it, you just choose not to. And this is why it is stupid even publicly talking about what you can afford and what you can't afford.

 

6 people liked your reply, really?

 

Jimmy H, a large part of my work revolves around working with socially unequipped teenagers who are, often, damaged. These teenagers are usually remarkably unself-aware, selfish, immature, hypocritical and bizarrely aggressive. They often lash out at others, and often feel targeted when they aren't. They rarely make sense when talking about themselves and others, and usually make enemies of friendly people purely by being acidic and acerbic - emotions originating from a misguided upset reaction.

 

What I'm getting at is that I can help you. Usually I get paid for helping people become better versions of themselves, but given how necessary this appears to be I'll happily do this for free.

 

I'm actually really good at helping socially unskilled teenagers operate a lot more successfuly, it's kind of my thing (apart from teaching kids to read). I'm sure if we worked together you'd be the better for it :).

post #54120 of 56369
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Originally Posted by The Ernesto View Post


I like pleats.

Like most things it's nice to have a mix of pleats and flat fronts in the wardrobe.

Although the uber binary world of SF will try and dictate one or the other.

 

Thanks for the input!

 

:)

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