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JimC · Jan 30, 2013

DartagnanRed said:
I will say I am currently provided a uni education, I enjoy it, I learn from it (usually), my employer has expressly demanded it and I know the uni makes a profit. Not sure whether society gives a **** about me, though I do pay more tax than most my age. Does this count?

If your uni experience is what I am imagining (ADFA or similar maybe?), then you and your peers are very privileged and you are likely to be amongst the very few whose fees provide a "profit" for the university. If you looked at that same university's overall balance sheet I expect that they only recoup some of their costs through your attendance. If I am picturing something other than what you have referred to then my apologies and I'll bow out.

Petepan · Jan 30, 2013

lennier said:
An example doesn't need to exist for something to be possible.

Did I assert otherwise? Must have missed it somewhere....ahh there it is (picks up glasses)

fxh · Jan 30, 2013

I wonder if we could move this discussion to its own thread on SF somewhere else. Its getting a bit far away from clothes. Thats ok but its also a bit long. I'm actually restraining myself from joining in. Its not that I don't have a viewpoint - as surprising as that might seem.

For those of you with a real interest I've always found Andrew Norton's blog to be a useful resource - http://andrewnorton.net.au/ - he links to other Higher Ed blogs and writes from a classical liberal (NOT Liberal) view. Interestingly hes worked for ex Fed Ed Minister (coalition), a University and now Grattan Institute (hardly the IPA!).

Anyway

So whats everyone doing about hats in summer with skin cancer, melanomas, vitamin D etc?

Do you reckon we will get an emerging consensus on a decent hat to wear in modern urban Australia without looking like John Howard or Rudd kissing babies in Queensland in a Stock Agents Akubra?

Will little kids having grown up with wearing hats all through primary school and being exposed to Slip. Slop,Slap messages as a matter of course, have a different attitude to hats?

What can you wear to work and not look like a costume or hipster?

nabilmust · Jan 30, 2013

Petepan said:
Quote:
If a tree falls in the middle of a forest, and no one hears it, or sees it, did it fall?

It's almost 5pm on a Thursday, chaps. I think it's time for a beer.

The Ernesto · Jan 30, 2013

Massive storm about to hit Melbourne conservative business dress.

Romp · Jan 30, 2013

OK ive lost 10% of my body weight and none of my clothes fit me anymore.

I recently bought a pair of APC New Standard Jeans in waist size 32. Worn 4 times only and never been washed or hemmed so i think i should sell them and try a new size

bought them new for $219 at Incu http://www.incuclothing.com/shop-men/designer/apc/new-standard-jeans-indigo/

happy to get rid of them for $150 if anyone interested?

The Ernesto · Jan 30, 2013

fxh said:
So whats everyone doing about hats in summer with skin cancer, melanomas, vitamin D etc?

Do you reckon we will get an emerging consensus on a decent hat to wear in modern urban Australia without looking like John Howard or Rudd kissing babies in Queensland in a Stock Agents Akubra?

Will little kids having grown up with wearing hats all through primary school and being exposed to Slip. Slop,Slap messages as a matter of course, have a different attitude to hats?

What can you wear to work and not look like a costume or hipster?

Very interesting point, fxh. The missus bought me a panama last year. Have worn it on the weekend a couple of times on hot days but still feel self conscious!!

Gerry Nelson · Jan 30, 2013

On the way home with Kimber boots in grey.

lachyzee · Jan 30, 2013

I love the look of Panamas with smart casual gear, or a summer suit even. Unfortunately I don't think you can wear them under the age of, say 40, without it looking affected. Old men in hats, though :slayer:

lachyzee · Jan 30, 2013

The Ernesto said:
Massive storm about to hit Melbourne conservative business dress.

Just made it home in time. Looks from BOM like the conservative business dress is just catching the side of it, though.

The Ernesto · Jan 30, 2013

Gerry Nelson said:
On the way home with Kimber boots in grey.

How much are they going for, Gez?

Romp · Jan 30, 2013

Gerry Nelson said:
On the way home with Kimber boots in grey.

photo - how they compare to green?

Prince of Paisley · Jan 30, 2013

fxh said:
I wonder if we could move this discussion to its own thread on SF somewhere else. Its getting a bit far away from clothes. Thats ok but its also a bit long. I'm actually restraining myself from joining in. Its not that I don't have a viewpoint - as surprising as that might seem.

For those of you with a real interest I've always found Andrew Norton's blog to be a useful resource - http://andrewnorton.net.au/ - he links to other Higher Ed blogs and writes from a classical liberal (NOT Liberal) view. Interestingly hes worked for ex Fed Ed Minister (coalition), a University and now Grattan Institute (hardly the IPA!).

Quite right. I was about to write a diatribe on universities etc. but have just saved it to my hard disk for inclusion in my memoirs...

fxh said:
Anyway

So whats everyone doing about hats in summer with skin cancer, melanomas, vitamin D etc?

Do you reckon we will get an emerging consensus on a decent hat to wear in modern urban Australia without looking like John Howard or Rudd kissing babies in Queensland in a Stock Agents Akubra?

Will little kids having grown up with wearing hats all through primary school and being exposed to Slip. Slop,Slap messages as a matter of course, have a different attitude to hats?

What can you wear to work and not look like a costume or hipster?

As for hats, generally I don't see much need to wear them to and from work as I'm out of the sun for most of the day. Lucky if I get 5 minutes total exposure (maybe that's still too much as the old natural head covering is.. well I think it's actually just called "skin" in my case). If I have to go out and about looking smart on the weekend I wear a trilby which isn't the most practical sun protection-wise but it covers the most vulnerable bits, and I slap some sunscreen on the ears. A wide brimmed hat can look costumey in my opinion. I'd thought about getting a proper panama this summer but I didn't want to look like a character from Evil Under the Sun.

For me, winter is when I think I'd like to wear a hat everyday, as I increasingly feel the cold whip round my ears. Beanies are not a good look for anyone, but neither is it really socially acceptable in this country to go "full Tibor"...

nabilmust · Jan 30, 2013

Romp said:
OK ive lost 10% of my body weight and none of my clothes fit me anymore.

I recently bought a pair of APC New Standard Jeans in waist size 32. Worn 4 times only and never been washed or hemmed so i think i should sell them and try a new size

bought them new for $219 at Incu http://www.incuclothing.com/shop-men/designer/apc/new-standard-jeans-indigo/

happy to get rid of them for $150 if anyone interested?

Rob, try the 3 Sixteens. They're sanforized, so they don't stretch out as much as the APCs do. I also prefer the rise and the seat of the 3 Sixteens.

LonerMatt · Jan 30, 2013

Romp said:
If the main purpose of going to uni to find oneself a vocation it always astounds me the number of people who opt for longer degrees/left field stuff that adds no value when it comes to actually getting a job. I view uni as a stepping stone to get to an interview ... actual experience and know-how will get you paid. So why waste time doing a 5 year degree when a 3 year degree will get you into the same initial job?

To sound cliche: education should always be something that's open and continuing, that helps people live the way the want to. It's an end in of itself, but the reason it is valuable is because it opens up more opportunities to learn/grow/succeed/etc. Of course employment is important, and an important flow on from having learned skills. I don't understand why people go to University to get a job.

A teacher cannot really approach a class or subject any other way since students are never ALL going to end up in the same profession things NEED to be left open, or people are failed.

I understand less why those in control of hiring decisions follow a similar line of logic. It makes no sense. In no way is University an ideal environment for anything other than open learning (TAFE too). In no way does it adequately prepare anyone for the actual work they do. If this is the end goal, then apprenticeships/trainee ships are a lot more useful in terms of how well specific skills within specific contexts are learned/mastered.

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