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post #45466 of 48617

Thanks for the 'pro-tip'. Yes, I am assuming hence the word 'think' but they do post links to these articles on their Facebook page and on there they could easily correct the record but I've never seen them do it. There have been many articles feature P Johnson in the mainstream media and specialist mags - they do great PR! -  and invariably these articles erroneously refer to them as bespoke tailors. PJ, when linking to such articles and not making any correction, is effectively accepting the description as being accurate and it isn't.

post #45467 of 48617
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Originally Posted by Romp View Post


Yep that's correct

One workshop about an hour away from Rome

And then the PJ Napoli range which is orazio Luciano

And we now have another workshop that Pat and Tom finalised plans with last month on their trip, allowing us to now offer both Milanese and Neapolitan styles of tailoring


Romp, if were to have some casual pants made, where would they be made? locally or O.S?

post #45468 of 48617
Gazman, I agree that PJ isn't bespoke, but you are being hung up over something grossly out of your/our control.
Bespoke also doesn't necessarily mean better fit than a very well done MTM in my experience. What's your experience? Feel free to post some fit pics - that tends to turn us from disdain to love. (Well done, MS ;p)

Otherwise, it is generally good forum etiquette to make introductions before coming in guns blazing. Amateur-tip.
Edited by iSurg - 2/13/14 at 3:06am
post #45469 of 48617
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Originally Posted by Countrysmart View Post


Romp, if were to have some casual pants made, where would they be made? locally or O.S?

Well, as Romp indicates, all of the P.Johnson tailoring is done overseas - it was done in the Netherlands and it is now all done in Italy.

The Suit Shop stuff is made in China (not that there's anything wrong with that at all, as long as it's done well, as plenty of MTO operations are using China nowadays).
post #45470 of 48617
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Originally Posted by ovlov View Post

JM- I did not know that about dress/business braces. I don't think I've seen anything without leather ends though. It won't be black tie anyhow though so I should be safe. Wedding is 28th so I have 2 weeks to go. AT dont seem to have a very quick turnaround time with orders so I don't think I can go straight to the source. I'm paying about $40-60 a pop on shipping for my ties to get then here express. Adding that to the cost of a brace order makes it more worthwhile to just buy them here. Though the moire braces look nice and sadly HB don't seem to stock them.

American Tailors has Thurstons, a nice selection too. Or it was 6 months ago, at least.
post #45471 of 48617
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Originally Posted by Gazman View Post

There have been many articles feature P Johnson in the mainstream media and specialist mags - they do great PR! -  and invariably these articles erroneously refer to them as bespoke tailors. PJ, when linking to such articles and not making any correction, is effectively accepting the description as being accurate and it isn't.

One could argue that the meaning of the word to the average punter has changed and broadened (misogyny, anyone?), but in any case, I have not heard of (and cannot imagine) anyone who does know the difference being actually misled.

Spend a few minutes on their website, and it is clear that they neither personally cut patterns, nor is there a tailor stitching coats out back (because if we're standing on ceremony here, technically you are only even a tailor if you are the person who actually stitches the suit). You are not led to expect three fittings. Chalk is not brandished with intent.

Does this make it a bad product? I don't think you'll find a lot of disappointed customers on this forum.

And fuck it, because this post annoys me (and I've had a long day at the office and half a Negroni for dinner) it's not even misleading in a legal sense (correct me if I'm wrong here JM, Nabil etc etc). Certainly not at common law, and almost not under the Australian Consumer Law either (although really that is a Pandora's Box and who knows)...

Rant over. Time to finish my drink.
post #45472 of 48617
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Originally Posted by Geoffrey Firmin View Post


I'm very OTR with corduroy found these
http://www.peterchristian.co.uk/mens/trousers/county-corduroy-trousers 2 pair plus postage 105 quid

As for burgundy I would rather drink it than wear it.

 

 

Good find. I already have a dark brown and a green pair. That navy looks nice. Burgundy can look good depending on what you wear it with.

post #45473 of 48617

Out of curiosity, is anyone at P.J.T a qualified tailor?

post #45474 of 48617
I'm not sure you 'qualify' as a tailor, per se.

But to my knowledge, PJT take measurements, advise on cuts and fabrics, and arrange alterations to the finished suits.

Bloody lovely suits, at that.
post #45475 of 48617

Does it matter? 

 

It doesn't matter who pushes a piece of fabric through a sewing machine, its the ability to conceptualise, measure and fit a garment that counts. 

 

Its not like 'tailor' is a certified term. As the general public would understand 'tailor' to be a place you buy suits from, I can see why he does it. 

post #45476 of 48617

You've misunderstood my point, I think. I'm not knocking their products, not at all! And I'm not saying MTM offers an inferior product per se. I actually own a PJ Johnson suit and I'm very pleased with it. Their service is impeccable, too.

 

By the way, my guns were well holstered. You are the second forum member giving me gratuitous advice on 'etiquette'. What are you guys some secret society?

post #45477 of 48617

my $0.02 is in the main it doesn't really matter. 

 

but i'd hazard a guess and say were this forum not discussing pjohnson, but a lesser known retailer, or a retailer without the cult following pjohnson has on this board in particular, the distinction between bespoke and mto and tailor and fitter would suddenly become more relevant. 

post #45478 of 48617
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Originally Posted by Gazman View Post
 

You've misunderstood my point, I think. I'm not knocking their products, not at all! And I'm not saying MTM offers an inferior product per se. I actually own a PJ Johnson suit and I'm very pleased with it. Their service is impeccable, too.

 

By the way, my guns were well holstered. You are the second forum member giving me gratuitous advice on 'etiquette'. What are you guys some secret society?

 

Its a flogged horse around here. It periodically comes up along with the questions 'should I topy?' or 'how much is a P Johnson suit?' and ends in a shitfest.

 

He might not be a tailor per se but you can see from a practical perspective he uses the label. So what's the big deal?

post #45479 of 48617

I see your argument.

 

However, according to the dictionary (Cambridge) your suit is a 'bespoke' suit.

 

Bespoke: specifically made for a particular person.

 

So P Johnson does indeed provide a bespoke tailoring service, as the tailors of the business make suits for each particular person.

 

The whole discernment of 'made-to-measure' and 'bespoke' was just made up so the aficionados of tailoring can quickly compare the levels of 'bespoke'. But make no mistake, it is all bespoke.

post #45480 of 48617
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Originally Posted by cemi1988 View Post
 

a retailer without the cult following pjohnson has on this board in particular

 

Patrick does have an overbearing cult following on this forum, but I believe it is justified.

 

Can you name an Australian competitor to Patrick that:

 

A) Uses Italian fabrics and Italian tailoring houses (providing high quality hand finishing)

B) Measures you in person and customises the pattern to fit you

C) Provides unlimited alterations and fittings within a short period once the suit arrives and

D) Prices sub $2,000 for a suit?

 

If I could afford a $5,000 suit from other good businesses in Sydney I would step up, but at the $2,000 price level you are getting superior quality and fit, which is currently unmatched.

 

Oh, and in relation to A), I have no objection to Chinese tailoring, but sadly, the Italians do the 'Italian suiting style' better than anyone else.

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