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Hey guys, how much tailored alterations are considered normal with an off the rack suit. I'm looking at needing to get sleeves lengthened, waste and chest suppression and removing excess fabric on the bicep. 

This normal, or should I look for a better fit?

Aside from fit what about cost what will this add to the price of an OTR suit? Is is economically viable? Why not go MTM to begin with?

Personally I would find a better fitting suit.
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Plenty of MTMs start around 800 mark, definitely not recommend a suit that sleeves need to lengthened.
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Yeah it was the suitsupply napoli fit, which is a shame as I doubt i'll be able to find something here in Aus at that price range for the quality.

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Get in touch with Romp and he can help you with MTM suiting that'll surpass what you can expect from SuitSupply for only a fraction extra.

And, hope you're all joking about not voting - it's something we ought not to take for granted in Australia, irrespective of the options available to us at present.
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Yeah it was the suitsupply napoli fit, which is a shame as I doubt i'll be able to find something here in Aus at that price range for the quality.

You may find a suit with the best material with a good price, if it doesn't fit you, it's a bad suit for you.
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I like Sex and I enjoy Parties. Voting was easy.

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Hi Guys,

 

I am looking to buy good new shoes for the business environment. I am looking for black cap toe oxfords, goodyear welted and full grain leather. 

 

I quite like styles that have a little bit of brogueing on the line of the cap toe like the Crockett and Jones Belgrave and Allen Edmonds Fith Avenue. I would prefer a cap toe like that, but if I cannot find one in my price range a "normal" one is ok too.

 

This is what I want:

 

I would prefer not to spend more than $300-350 and I don't mind ordering from pediwear or some other foreign website. BUT I would like to try them on first somewhere in Sydney.

 

As far as I can see the companies that would fit my requirements best (especially price) are Loake 1880 and Allen Edmonds.

 

I have found Joseph's, but he only has the cheap "Loake Shoemaker" with half grain leather. I also went to Herringbone and tried on the Crockett Jones Handgrade Belgrave (Pictured above), which I absolutely love and which fits me well in 5 1/2 E, but the price of $699 is a little more than what I want to pay. Ordering from pediwear would also be $657 (thumbs up for the fair pricing and great service at Herringbone).

 

As far as I can tell, no retailer has Allen Edmonds in Australia...

 

After researching this for days, I am not sure where else I can go to find good shoes at a reasonable price in Sydney or at least where I could try some on.

 

Could you please recommend me what other options I have or which other stores in Sydney carry good shoes? Maybe there are other shoe brands I can look at except for Loake and Allen Edmonds?

 

Greetings, Kim

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Hi Guys,

 

I am looking to buy good new shoes for the business environment. I am looking for black cap toe oxfords, goodyear welted and full grain leather. 

 

I would prefer not to spend more than $300-350 and I don't mind ordering from pediwear or some other foreign website. BUT I would like to try them on first somewhere in Sydney.

 

As far as I can see the companies that would fit my requirements best (especially price) are Loake 1880 and Allen Edmonds.

 

I also went to Herringbone and tried on the Crockett Jones Handgrade Belgrave (Pictured above), which I absolutely love and which fits me well in 5 1/2 E, but the price of $699 is a little more than what I want to pay. Ordering from pediwear would also be $657 (thumbs up for the fair pricing and great service at Herringbone).

 

As far as I can tell, no retailer has Allen Edmonds in Australia...

 

Could you please recommend me what other options I have or which other stores in Sydney carry good shoes? Maybe there are other shoe brands I can look at except for Loake and Allen Edmonds?

 

 

 

 

Kim, you have TINY feet.

 

Welcome to the black hole that is men's shoes in Sydney.

 

The Belgrave is a great shoe. You are not going to get it for $350 anywhere. So unless you are prepared to spend more money, forget that. The only shoes that you can realistically afford and try on are Loake 1880.

 

You want to try the shoe on first which is reasonable. If this is for aesthetics, you're not in luck. If it is for fit, then you're in luck. Go to Henry Buck's and try on the Buckingham, it is in the Capital Last, which most formal Loake 1880 shoes are. So if you can get sizing right at Henry Bucks, you can get the cap toe online and feel safe knowing that it will fit.

 

Unfortunately, I think, Henry Bucks doesn't do a 5 1/2 or a size 6.

 

So you're pretty much up the creek with no paddle.

 

P.S Joseph's is such a joke store. The owners walk around like they are selling the world's finest shoes, and wreak of a 'fast sale' mentality.

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Originally Posted by Michael Sy View Post
 

 

Kim, you have TINY feet.

 

Welcome to the black hole that is men's shoes in Sydney.

 

The Belgrave is a great shoe. You are not going to get it for $350 anywhere. So unless you are prepared to spend more money, forget that. The only shoes that you can realistically afford and try on are Loake 1880.

 

You want to try the shoe on first which is reasonable. If this is for aesthetics, you're not in luck. If it is for fit, then you're in luck. Go to Henry Buck's and try on the Buckingham, it is in the Capital Last, which most formal Loake 1880 shoes are. So if you can get sizing right at Henry Bucks, you can get the cap toe online and feel safe knowing that it will fit.

 

Unfortunately, I think, Henry Bucks doesn't do a 5 1/2 or a size 6.

 

So you're pretty much up the creek with no paddle.

 

P.S Joseph's is such a joke store. The owners walk around like they are selling the world's finest shoes, and wreak of a 'fast sale' mentality.

 

Thank you so much for you reply, it is fantastic and very helpful. It gives me a little hope now :)

 

The idea of trying the capital last sounds great, but please tell me if I am getting it right:

Shoes made on the same last have exactly the same shape and fit, but can still differ in looks due to brogueing and other decorations.

 

By trying on the Buckingham, I will be able to tell what size I need for the Aldwych and how it would approximately look like (shape wise).

 

Is that correct?

 

Do you think it would be possible to find out which last is being used for the Crockett & Jones Belgrave and then see if any cheaper shoes use that too?

post #37389 of 48550
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Originally Posted by Kimcha View Post

Hi Guys, I am looking to buy good new shoes for the business environment. I am looking for black cap toe oxfords, goodyear welted and full grain leather.  I quite like styles that have a little bit of brogueing on the line of the cap toe like the Crockett and Jones Belgrave and Allen Edmonds Fith Avenue. I would prefer a cap toe like that, but if I cannot find one in my price range a "normal" one is ok too. This is what I want: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

I would prefer not to spend more than $300-350 and I don't mind ordering from pediwear or some other foreign website. BUT I would like to try them on first somewhere in Sydney. As far as I can see the companies that would fit my requirements best (especially price) are Loake 1880 and Allen Edmonds. I have found Joseph's, but he only has the cheap "Loake Shoemaker" with half grain leather. I also went to Herringbone and tried on the Crockett Jones Handgrade Belgrave (Pictured above), which I absolutely love and which fits me well in 5 1/2 E, but the price of $699 is a little more than what I want to pay. Ordering from pediwear would also be $657 (thumbs up for the fair pricing and great service at Herringbone). As far as I can tell, no retailer has Allen Edmonds in Australia... After researching this for days, I am not sure where else I can go to find good shoes at a reasonable price in Sydney or at least where I could try some on. Could you please recommend me what other options I have or which other stores in Sydney carry good shoes? Maybe there are other shoe brands I can look at except for Loake and Allen Edmonds? Greetings, Kim
You just reminded me a new Korean restaurant has opened up the road around the corner - I think its the Korean butcher shop that has opened it..

5 1/2 is pretty small - you sure that the right size? maybe you could buy one of Journeymans shoes and cut it in half - hes a size 10?

I'm not sure all sellers would have an E, or even a 51/2 in stock - you might have to settle for an F. I think you would have problems finding those sort of shoes in Sydney first up and secondly unlikely to get a 5.1/2. Do you travel to asia anywhere much?

My advice is to buy the cheapest shoe you can find that looks as close as you can get to that punch seam captoe. For a start.

Herring is helpful if you email them politely. You can draw your foot according to instructions - I think I have instructions somewhere or can do it OTTOMH - measure it at the right points and send the scan to them with measurement on it and they will recommend your size. They are pretty experienced.

I do like that black punch seam plain captoe look - even more if its an Adelaide - possible the most elegant style of shoe there is - restrained with a bit of brogueing that emphasises the not too, but sleek enough, lines.

I have ranted gone on a bit opined -said a bit before on here about how the more formal shoes like that in black are a bit restricted in use and possibly not the first or second or even third choice for a shoe. I still hold to that view.
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Interestingly, Harrolds now stock Church's. Most models are in the $500-600 odd range. The former, I believe, are largely binder leather. The latter are standard calf. Saw a nice wingtip brogue in dark brown.

This is, of course, assuming you are a Church's fan.

Personally, I'd rather the C&J range from Double Monk via P Johnson.

Might be about time to pick up a pair of Belgraves in chestnut calf...
Edited by ColdEyedPugilist - 9/7/13 at 1:22am
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Thank you so much for you reply, it is fantastic and very helpful. It gives me a little hope now smile.gif

The idea of trying the capital last sounds great, but please tell me if I am getting it right:
Shoes made on the same last have exactly the same shape and fit, but can still differ in looks due to brogueing and other decorations.

By trying on the Buckingham, I will be able to tell what size I need for the Aldwych
 and how it would approximately look like (shape wise).

Is that correct?

Do you think it would be possible to find out which last is being used for the Crockett & Jones Belgrave and then see if any cheaper shoes use that too?

C&J Belgraves = 337 last
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Originally Posted by fxh View Post


You just reminded me a new Korean restaurant has opened up the road around the corner - I think its the Korean butcher shop that has opened it..

5 1/2 is pretty small - you sure that the right size? maybe you could buy one of Journeymans shoes and cut it in half - hes a size 10?

I'm not sure all sellers would have an E, or even a 51/2 in stock - you might have to settle for an F. I think you would have problems finding those sort of shoes in Sydney first up and secondly unlikely to get a 5.1/2. Do you travel to asia anywhere much?

My advice is to buy the cheapest shoe you can find that looks as close as you can get to that punch seam captoe.

Herring is helpful if you email them politely. You can draw your foot according to instructions - I think I have instructions somewhere or can do it OTTOMH - measure it at the right points and send the scan to them with measurement on it and they will recommend your size. They are pretty experienced.

I do like that black punch seam plain captoe look - even more if its an Adelaide - possible the most elegant style of shoe there is - restrained with a bit of brogueing that emphasises the not too, but sleek enough, lines.

I have ranted gone one a bit opined -said a bit before on here about how the more formal shoes like that in black are a bit restricted in use and possibly not the first or second or even third choice for a shoe. I still hold to that view.

 

I am not sure my shoe size is 5 1/2. I have never bought proper shoes before and whenever I have been buying sports shoes or sneakers I got something around 39 and 40, which are usually a little lose, but I get by. Size 39 in English is apparently 6. I have tried the C&J Belgrave in 6 E, but it was too wide and I was able to slide my foot left and right inside of the shoe. It wasn't hugging my foot at all.

 

When I tried the 5 1/2 E, it was much better, it was quite snug around my foot and I could actually feel the shoe supporting my foot. My understanding is that as long as its snug, but not tight it is good and that leather shoes will widen and "give in" a little. Is that correct?

 

When you are saying "buy the cheapest shoe you can find that looks as close as you can get to that punch seam captoe.", do you mean the cheapest high quality shoe (goodyear welting, full grain leather) or do you think I should not bother at all and just buy a cheap shoe?

 

I understand this is the most formal shoe I can get and that I can only wear it with a suit. This is the primary purpose for it. I want to have a shoe, which will be appropriate for all business or formal situations I will get into in the future and I want it to last for the next 5-10 years. My next quality shoe will be hopefully something I can wear with the suit in less formal situations, but also with jeans (Although I havent researched that yet and not sure if a shoe like that exists).

 

My plan of action for next week is to try the smallest Buckingham at Henry Bucks and then see from there. I appreciate all the advice and help guys!

post #37393 of 48550
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Originally Posted by Kimcha View Post
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Thank you so much for you reply, it is fantastic and very helpful. It gives me a little hope now :)

 

The idea of trying the capital last sounds great, but please tell me if I am getting it right:

Shoes made on the same last have exactly the same shape and fit, but can still differ in looks due to brogueing and other decorations.

 

By trying on the Buckingham, I will be able to tell what size I need for the Aldwych and how it would approximately look like (shape wise).

 

Is that correct?

 

Do you think it would be possible to find out which last is being used for the Crockett & Jones Belgrave and then see if any cheaper shoes use that too?

 

Everything you have said is correct.

 

Even if you don't try on the last you want, you could try on a similar last by the same manufacturer and then ask the retailer how the last varies to the last you want. Sounds confusing, but it works.

 

FXH and CEP make good points too.

 

Basically, in the  5 1/2 sizing to the 6, you are going to have to buy online, there are no two ways about it. You'd be lucky if you can try anything on in that size. So measuring your foot and sending it off to an online retailer like FXH suggested, is probably your best bet.

 

The shoe range in Sydney is absolutely atrocious.

post #37394 of 48550
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Originally Posted by Kimcha View Post

Thank you so much for you reply, it is fantastic and very helpful. It gives me a little hope now smile.gif

The idea of trying the capital last sounds great, but please tell me if I am getting it right:
Shoes made on the same last have exactly the same shape and fit, but can still differ in looks due to brogueing and other decorations.

By trying on the Buckingham, I will be able to tell what size I need for the Aldwych
 and how it would approximately look like (shape wise).

Is that correct?

Do you think it would be possible to find out which last is being used for the Crockett & Jones Belgrave and then see if any cheaper shoes use that too?

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Originally Posted by ColdEyedPugilist View Post

C&J Belgraves = 337 last

Kimcha, you're right that shoes made on the same last will fit in the same manner. So, for example, a pair of Loakes made on the Capital last will fit in the same way as another pair of Loakes made on the same last, even though one pair might be a plain captoe and other might be a captoe with brogueing and a medallion on the cap.

ColdEyedPugilist is right that the C&J Belgrave is made on the 337 last. Unfortunately for you, it's a last that is exclusive to C&J and it is only used for their more expensive Handgrade range.

However, I've got a pair of Loakes on the Capital last (a pair of Strands) and I've got a few pairs of C&Js on the 337 last (Belgraves, Cliffords and two pairs of Audleys) and the two lasts are quite similar in terms of fit, with the Capital last being just slightly more spacious.
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Get in touch with Romp and he can help you with MTM suiting that'll surpass what you can expect from SuitSupply for only a fraction extra.

And, hope you're all joking about not voting - it's something we ought not to take for granted in Australia, irrespective of the options available to us at present.

 

How might I get in touch with Romp? 

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