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Originally Posted by Oli2012 View Post


Yeah they don't have a single decent denim item. I just like that bone seude they do (chinos remind me too much of Alexander Downer) and was looking to get another pair for a deal they're currently doing.
A museum is out of place - it's half the reason why Greece wants the Elgin Marbles returned, and why archeologists request that artifacts are left in their place upon discovery (it is difficult to determine the use of a room or an object once it is removed from its context).

Everyone in the legal fraternity (at least mine) wears RMWs, so I have a bit of an affinity with them. Most of all though I don't feel like playing reindeer games with online orders. We've almost reached September and I've still not seen my shirt I ordered from cottonwork in May.

 

Whoa dude, I wouldn't be in the queue to board your ark, even if your real name was Noah.

post #36707 of 51890
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Originally Posted by thebrownman View Post

The You517 was fantastic. Not sure if you guys saw that at the Stuttenberg Aviation Musuem? A fine example of classic German engineering that exceeds the lofty torque of its predecessor..

http://youtu.be/TYz8fV80K6U?t=36s

post #36708 of 51890
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Thanks for the compliment. The fact that you have been there makes your statement even more startling.

Like iSurg said, it is a museum. Whether you like it or not, or agree with it or not, a museum's purpose is to display artifacts. A sphinx in the louvre is hardly out of place and out of time, quite unlike English three piece suits in Redfern. Whether or not the museum is out of place is really besides the point.

To address your main point, the whole point of classical style, is to endure over cycles of fashion. What exactly is out of time in respect of a well cut suit? I can agree in part that people can dress out of place, but the whole idea of a suit for most people is to blend in, not stand out. Hence the muted colors of navy, gray and black.

CBD suit dressing is quite ubiquitous worldwide. Just check out the business districts of any major cities, from Sydney to London to Paris to Tokyo to Hong Kong to New York. In this context, Redfern stands out like a sore thumb, and it is puzzling why you would use Redfern as a comparison, but i guess lawyers are no strangers to hyperbole.

 

Britain to Greece = 3500km
Modern Britain to ancient Greece = 2500 years 

Use of an object in a museum = fucking none

 

You'd struggle to get further 'out of place and out of time'. 

 

Nobody spoke of CBD dressing. Interestingly enough, it is rarely spoke about on here. Most discussion revolves around exotic shoes, watches and odd jacket combinations because they're inherently more interesting. Most of the #sprez look is not seen on this thread either - I can only think of one person who does it, but he's young and gets away with it, and like most of the other posters I enjoy seeing his posts through an odd transgressive desire. 

 

I have no problem with this, but its not my interest. My interest is in rebuilding an 'authentic' look, appropriately minimised and modernised to suit my tastes. 

post #36709 of 51890
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Originally Posted by nabilmust View Post

 

Whoa dude, I wouldn't be in the queue to board your ark, even if your real name was Noah.

 

I was at a Land and Environment Court prelim hearing last week in Sydney. We were all in RMWs minus two guys in those glue soled chelseas you see. Admittedly though we were all from up North. 

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Couldnthaveknown: maybe you need to have a shopping trip to Melbourne and try some stuff from Azzaro.

Oli - maybe you shouldn't visit museums... Also, a lot of the reclamation topics seem to be more related to "you took my expensive shit now give it back" mindframe than your "this is not the right place to display such a historical item" (although they may claim that as their motivation). Granted, if placed back in the wild in their original position, artefacts would already long been razed or weathered into indistinguishable nubbins. I propose that museums are important. So the context of museums is its purpose and function - to preserve human history.
Edited by iSurg - 8/24/13 at 7:41pm
post #36711 of 51890

Some years ago, before I knew about SF, I bought what I thought was a nice enough suit.

 

Somehow, though, I knew it didn't really fit well, so I didn't wear it much.

 

Recently, I decided to see if I could do something about it. So I took it to a tailor. He advised that the shoulders and the waist were too wide. When I asked if he could fix this, he said he could - it would be expensive, but he could do it.

 

So I left it with him. A week later, I picked it up.

 

I am disappointed with the result.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

There is significant bunching at the shoulders from being removed and re-stitched.

 

And the left sleeve doesn't hang straight:

 

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This specific job (taking in the shoulders) was $200, and I reckon I've wasted my money.

 

I'd be interested in hearing any thoughts or advice you gents might have.

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Sorry to hear that, eightace, but shoulders should be right the first time around. They are very hard to alter.

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Fit pits would be better to judge, but I understand your pain about shoulder alterations, which is why shoulder fit and coat length are in my mind, two of the most important things to get right if going for RTW with alterations. 

post #36714 of 51890
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Originally Posted by Oli2012 View Post

Britain to Greece = 3500km

Modern Britain to ancient Greece = 2500 years 
Use of an object in a museum = fucking none

You'd struggle to get further 'out of place and out of time'

Do you lack adequate training to express yourself properly without the use of expletives, especially when none was directed at you?

What exactly is your point?

A museum is a place designated for display of artifacts. The key word is display. Not use or usage. There is also an important role played in prservation and maintenance. Some artifacts were salvaged from ocean floors. Do you propose to leave them there to rot?

Ipso facto, a sphinx artifact is not out of place in a museum. What s your argument to the contrary?

BTW, i aint boardin your RMW ark either. None in my office wears any. There are at least 6 law firms in my building, and i have only spotted one dude with RMWs.
post #36715 of 51890
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Originally Posted by couldnthaveknow View Post





Guys thanks for the input... looks like I'll have a peek at MJ Bale... might continue with hugo boss selection, its not bad on sale, and maybe some canali and zegna


hey mate, well, in part, and also its a reference to myself

To be honest MJ Bale and so on are probably towards the lower end that I would consider... I'd personally prefer not to go any lower even though lower does exist, equally at the high end I'd probably go a Brioni from Harrolds, but wont go higher although of course higher exists (I get very conscious wearing something that expensive, might spill coffee on it) 

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Originally Posted by iSurg View Post

Couldnthaveknown: sounds like you know what you want, but you are looking at a lot of mainstream branded RTW suiting. If you're willing to ball on Brioni and TF, why don't you consider Isaia or liverano RTW. I have had Hugo Boss before and the quality is shit, sorry.

+1 on Hugo Boss's quality, or lack thereof. As far as I'm aware, they all have fused jacket construction (at least the ones that you get here for around $1200) and that's just far, far too much to pay for a suit of that construction quality. They used to have a much more expensive, higher-end line called Baldessarini that was very nice, but they stopped that some years back and I don't know if they replaced it with anything.

I don't know if Liverano's RTW line is stocked anywhere in Oz, and even if it were, it's very expensive - over $4000 for a suit, I think. Isaia is available in Brisbane at Richards & Richards, at least, but I'm not sure about elsewhere in Australia. Their suits are lovely and good value for what you get.


Re: RM Williams boots, museums and artifacts - I think that Oli's metaphor could have been better, but please let's stop squabbling over technicalities and about whether his metaphor was valid or not.

I, personally, don't like the idea of wearing RM Williams boots with a suit, but there are plenty of lawyers and other corporate types here in Brisbane who do it regularly.

Some years back, I fronted up to a hearing and at the other end of the bar table was a well-known barrister who had previously been a senior partner with Minters. He was wearing a well-tailored navy pinstripe suit, a sky blue shirt with French cuffs, a purple ottoman weave tie and... black RM Williams boots. To me, it seemed like a rather incongruous outfit but he's certainly not alone in dressing like that. Heck, for better or for worse, the PM is a fan of wearing RM Williams boots with business dress.
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Kevin Rudd? Oh, I guess that makes it alright, then..
post #36717 of 51890
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Originally Posted by Journeyman View Post



+1 on Hugo Boss's quality, or lack thereof. As far as I'm aware, they all have fused jacket construction (at least the ones that you get here for around $1200) and that's just far, far too much to pay for a suit of that construction quality. They used to have a much more expensive, higher-end line called Baldessarini that was very nice, but they stopped that some years back and I don't know if they replaced it with anything.

I don't know if Liverano's RTW line is stocked anywhere in Oz, and even if it were, it's very expensive - over $4000 for a suit, I think. Isaia is available in Brisbane at Richards & Richards, at least, but I'm not sure about elsewhere in Australia. Their suits are lovely and good value for what you get.


Re: RM Williams boots, museums and artifacts - I think that Oli's metaphor could have been better, but please let's stop squabbling over technicalities and about whether his metaphor was valid or not.

I, personally, don't like the idea of wearing RM Williams boots with a suit, but there are plenty of lawyers and other corporate types here in Brisbane who do it regularly.

Some years back, I fronted up to a hearing and at the other end of the bar table was a well-known barrister who had previously been a senior partner with Minters. He was wearing a well-tailored navy pinstripe suit, a sky blue shirt with French cuffs, a purple ottoman weave tie and... black RM Williams boots. To me, it seemed like a rather incongruous outfit but he's certainly not alone in dressing like that. Heck, for better or for worse, the PM is a fan of wearing RM Williams boots with business dress.

Whilst this is true for most Boss suits and jackers, Boss Selection is of good construction quality. Most jackets are fully canvassed. They use a range of relatively nice fabrics, and overall the jackets are characterised by a hard, padded shoulder and significant waist suppression. So, they aren't poor at all, but for the price that Boss tries to sell them at in Australia, they absolutely are not worth looking at. On sale, they try to get ~$1500 for Boss Selection suits.

post #36718 of 51890
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Originally Posted by couldnthaveknow View Post

 

Indeed mate, but can we get Isaia or Liverano here in Sydney? I'm not sure re buying online without trying on, unless for good discount.

 

For mainstream / the $1k and less area, what would you recommend? 

http://styleforumau.wikidot.com/wiki:suits-in-australia

post #36719 of 51890
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Originally Posted by thebrownman View Post

Kevin Rudd? Oh, I guess that makes it alright, then..

Mate, your C & J shoes are made in England, which is a distance of 17,000 kms away. The basic shoe was invented a few decades ago. You are so out of place and out of time.

This is logic emanating from a member of the legal profession. I hide my face in shame.
post #36720 of 51890
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Originally Posted by iSurg View Post

Granted, if placed back in the wild in their original position, artefacts would already long been razed or weathered into indistinguishable nubbins. I propose that museums are important.

 

At the very least the "foxing" would be off the hook 

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