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I agree. I'd have no issue getting fitted by Matt and chances are that one of these days, I will ...

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Originally Posted by Michael Sy View Post

Why didn't he just say this, and why did all the well-known trolls jump in on the action?

just out of curiosity, were the tailors who made your Elite suit, savile row trained?
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Originally Posted by sliq View Post


just out of curiosity, were the tailors who made your Elite suit, savile row trained?

 

Maybe from here? smile.gif

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Originally Posted by sliq View Post


just out of curiosity, were the tailors who made your Elite suit, savile row trained?

No.

 

They started in their fathers workshop as soon as they could walk and were trained by their family. As were their fathers and their grand fathers and their great grandfathers and so on.

 

Many Asian tailoring families go back many generations and in some cases have a family history of tailoring for well over a century.

 

Our main specialist bespoke tailors have a training arrangement with a Savile Row tailoring house whereby they receive training on a quarterly basis to ensure they continue to keep their skills up to date with the latest tailoring methods.

 

A bit like Continuing Professional Development.

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With such experience, how come many of the Elite Suits I've seen look:

A) not elite
B) shit

?
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Originally Posted by sliq View Post


just out of curiosity, were the tailors who made your Elite suit, savile row trained?

Sliq, you must have difficulty understanding basic concepts?

 

First of all, we are talking about 'fitters' not tailors. Please go back and read HC's spiel on the difference between the two, you'll be surprised at how much you'll learn.

 

Secondly, Patrick was Saville Row trained. In fact, it is probably his 'biggest' selling point. From the highs of squeezing grapes into bottles, to playing with cloth and making alterations for the wealthy. It really is a marvelous story. Please read it.

 

Lastly, my comment was said in jest. If the fitter is not as 'qualified' as Patrick, then I am not convinced. Seeing as the fitter is being trained by someone of a supposedly equivalent standing, I am sure this concern has been alleviated.


If I really wanted to blow my own trumpet, everyone here is now more informed because of me asking a question than if I hadn't of done so. People obviously know this Mathew (creepy much?), and can now attest to the soon-to-be realised quality of Suit Shop.

 

But to answer your question whilst metaphorically patting you on the head, no I don't think the tailors were Saville Row trained.

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Originally Posted by thebrownman View Post

With such experience, how come many of the Elite Suits I've seen look:

A) not elite
B) shit

?

Because MTM relies on the intelligence and experience of the person who inputs their own measurements? And it's a risky proposition with a suit, with so many variables, as opposed to a shirt?

Any MTM operation is only going to be as good as the person using them. How are they supposed to get things like collar gap right on the first attempt with a customer. And yet, looking through Simon's thread, these seem to be the things that people pick up on and blame Simon for.

"Oh that suit is was too tight and short = Elite Suits must be terrible at what they do" - just doesn't make sense to me. If the suit was made according to the customer's measurements, then they have done their job. What more can an MTM operation do apart from following instructions, other than correcting obvious errors.

There are some suits on Simons thread that look just fine to me. The fit is not PJ spot-on, but it's MTM, and probably a first attempt for most of his customers, so what do you expect? Yes, their website needs work, but that's a well worn point and a bit irrelevant. Simon isn't looking for business advice.

Would I, personally, order a suit based purely on measurement input? No. But some people do.

Simon, I don't have any experience with your product, and probably won't, but I applaud you for staying courteous and informative in the face of some simple-minded criticism and sniping from the usual SF trolls (I am not referring to you, TBM) (who I doubt have had any personal experience with your product whatsoever).
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Originally Posted by Simon at Elite View Post

No.

They started in their fathers workshop as soon as they could walk and were trained by their family. As were their fathers and their grand fathers and their great grandfathers and so on.

Many Asian tailoring families go back many generations and in some cases have a family history of tailoring for well over a century.

Our main specialist bespoke tailors have a training arrangement with a Savile Row tailoring house whereby they receive training on a quarterly basis to ensure they continue to keep their skills up to date with the latest tailoring methods.

A bit like Continuing Professional Development.

I haven’t seen your suits. But just for the sake of arguments. If grand father had inferior technique of tailoring then he can pass that to the father and then to the grandson and so forth……..
I don’t believe in learning form one avenue only. That’s why we go to school/uni to learn rather than home school.
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Good Afternoon Simon

I think I'm speaking for a few people, we are eagerly anticipating a pic of the suit Michael Sy purchased from you sometime back.
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Originally Posted by thebrownman View Post

With such experience, how come many of the Elite Suits I've seen look:

A) not elite
B) shit

?

+1
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Shots fired. peepwall[1].gif

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Originally Posted by lachyzee View Post


Because MTM relies on the intelligence and experience of the person who inputs their own measurements? And it's a risky proposition with a suit, with so many variables, as opposed to a shirt?

Any MTM operation is only going to be as good as the person using them. How are they supposed to get things like collar gap right on the first attempt with a customer. And yet, looking through Simon's thread, these seem to be the things that people pick up on and blame Simon for.

"Oh that suit is was too tight and short = Elite Suits must be terrible at what they do" - just doesn't make sense to me. If the suit was made according to the customer's measurements, then they have done their job. What more can an MTM operation do apart from following instructions, other than correcting obvious errors.

There are some suits on Simons thread that look just fine to me. The fit is not PJ spot-on, but it's MTM, and probably a first attempt for most of his customers, so what do you expect? Yes, their website needs work, but that's a well worn point and a bit irrelevant. Simon isn't looking for business advice.

Would I, personally, order a suit based purely on measurement input? No. But some people do.

Simon, I don't have any experience with your product, and probably won't, but I applaud you for staying courteous and informative in the face of some simple-minded criticism and sniping from the usual SF trolls (I am not referring to you, TBM) (who I doubt have had any personal experience with your product whatsoever).

The problem with online MTM is that people expect to send in a set of measurements and get back a perfectly fitting suit and that's not going to happen. It might be a reasonable or even a good fit but it's not going to fit perfectly. There are three main steps to a good fitting suit, the measurements, the construction and the final fitting and alteration.

 

If you go to your local tailor they will do all three for a price. They will take your measurements, send those measurements to an overseas suit factory (just like we do although we use individual tailors who hand make the suits more than the automated suit factories), then when the completed suit arrives back they just done't simply hand it to you. Instead they call you in for a fitting and have any necessary alterations done locally because no matter how accurate the measurements are or how you had them done the suit is unlikely to fit properly without that final tweak.

 

When you go online tailoring you need to arrange steps 1 & 3 yourself. In return for doing this you are able to buy, in many cases a far superior suit for much less then instore even after you factor in the final alterations.  While everyone does the measurements a lot less give their suit that final post delivery tweak despite me telling them it's something they should do. So what you see in a lot of the pictures is a suit without having that very important final step completed. So rather than compare the suit to a fully fitted and altered MTM is probably fairer to compare it to a suit straight off the rack. Our suits are better made, a better fit and far better value than a standard off the rack suits. Have a look at the Beijing suits. Hand tailored in a fairly good generic suiting wool and fully canvassed. Where can you buy a full canvas suit off the rack today, much less for only $399?

 

Also as you pointed out suits are a very individual thing. You might look at a suit and think the jacket is too long/short/loose/tight etc but the suit wasn't made for you. It was made for the customer that ordered it and made to the way he wants to wear his suits not the way you do.

 

Every week I get far more emails from customers thanking me for making them a great suit than I do complaints.When you consider that only a small proportion of customer happy with their purchase will take the time to send you a thank you email while everyone with an issue will definitely make the time to complain I think says we're doing something right. The business is experiencing amazing growth as we sell more and more higher end suits ($999 and up) and repeat business continues to grow with some customers now onto their 4th and 5th suits.

 

Which explains why I can easily ignore what you called the simple-minded criticism and sniping from the usual SF trolls who as you said haven't ever bought anything. As has been pointed out before the comments from customers who actually have bought a suit are overwhelmingly positive

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Originally Posted by md2010 View Post

I haven’t seen your suits. But just for the sake of arguments. If grand father had inferior technique of tailoring then he can pass that to the father and then to the grandson and so forth……..
I don’t believe in learning form one avenue only. That’s why we go to school/uni to learn rather than home school.

Everything I've learnt has been from wikipedia. And now look at me. I run the William Morris Agency! Higher Education = Lower Living Standards.
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Originally Posted by md2010 View Post


I haven’t seen your suits. But just for the sake of arguments. If grand father had inferior technique of tailoring then he can pass that to the father and then to the grandson and so forth……..
I don’t believe in learning form one avenue only. That’s why we go to school/uni to learn rather than home school.

 

I didn't say that was their only form of training but it's where they started learning. Even in Asia they recognise the importance of developing skills and keeping up to date with modern techniques.

 

I have had the benefit of watching experienced tailors construct a suit and it's a fascinating experience.

 

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Originally Posted by Dusty Brogues View Post

Good Afternoon Simon

I think I'm speaking for a few people, we are eagerly anticipating a pic of the suit Michael Sy purchased from you sometime back.

Hi Dusty

 

I actually rarely get to see the finished suit as it's normally delivered from my Shanghai office. So it's really up to Michael.

 

I have a customer who purchased a plaid Holland & Sherry fabric suit who is currently have the suit given a final tweak.When he gets it back he says he will post picture in the affiliate thread. As I haven't seen the suit I'm keen to see the pictures myself so I hope he does

 

 

Originally Posted by thebrownman View Post

With such experience, how come many of the Elite Suits I've seen look:

A) not elite
B) shit

?

The problem with your hypothesis is that if it was remotely true we would have gone out of business in a month. Instead we are well into our third year and still growing strongly.as new customers (including more and more SF members) discover the quality and value we offer and repeat business just grows and grows especially with the higher end suits. Where else can you buy a fully hand stitched suit made to a bespoke standard of construction and out of high quality Holland & Sherry wool for $999?

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He has a point, though. I'm yet to see anything of yours that looks remotely good. I would suggest most that buy from you do so because you're cheap(er) and are more likely inexperienced in fit and are thusly happy with the poorer fitting items you provide.
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