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Originally Posted by fxh View Post

If I have my preferences I tend to have all shirts with plackets and pockets. A plain/french front shirt with hidden buttons to me looks a bit fussy or something. A placket says "this is a working shirt". A placket gives a nice vertical line and breaks up the horizontal line nicely. Slimming. The vertical line both invites and complements a tie. Or substitutes for a tie and hints at the absence of tie when the neck is open sans tie. No pocket seems impractical. Business cards when received are popped in shirt pocket. Usually a pen there too. My dockets/receipt go in shirt pocket.

I'm tending to prefer simple straight cut barrel cuffs these days too. I've gone off cufflinks a bit. I think I'm trying for a overall softer less shiney and refined look. Suede footwear, nappy-er materials, knit ties, thicker socks, shirts with some texture.
I think we may be talking slightly across purposes here - by French front I don't mean hidden buttons. This is what I understand is a "French front":



This is as opposed to a hidden placket, which is really most suitable for black tie IMO:



A French front shirt does look more refined (which - depending on your disposition and trade - may be good or bad). As Checkstar mentioned, 99% of store bought shirts - even the nicer ones - have a regular placket, so a Ffront is a little detail that sets you apart from the herd but not in a showy way. Same with rounded cuffs (whether they be double or single) as OTR shirts usually have square or diagonal-cut cuffs.

As for pockets in shirts, I agree they are practical but when you actually use them how you're meant to (i.e. stuff them full of your cards, pens, 8c/L fuel discount dockets, bank passbooks etc.) it looks messy, or as Romp said, (nutty) professor. Wallets, card holders, and jacket / trouser pockets all do the job of holding and concealing your crap better than your shirt does..

As for pens in pockets: not even once. They leak and it's game over for your day and the shirt.
post #28292 of 52380
My understanding of French fronts was the same as fxh's.

I dislike pockets in my shirts. Looks sleaker without IMO.
post #28293 of 52380
So, this is not a French front?



I suppose I still have a lot to learn.
post #28294 of 52380
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Originally Posted by Gerry Nelson View Post

Coincidentally, Richard has a pair of black suede chukka boots (C&J Tetburys) that look great with his suits and odd trousers.

I presume you mean these Mr Nelson.

http://shoemakersofmelbourne.com/christian-kimber-launch/




Cary Grant was also known for his black suede shoes.

http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/2008/09/black-suede-shoes.html


Jason - i am definitely in for the Trunk Show, esp. given that I have placed an order, but I will RSVP appropriately to (via email) so you can easily work out numbers. Looking forward to it.
post #28295 of 52380
The famous French-Italian shirt front:

post #28296 of 52380
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Originally Posted by Prince of Paisley View Post

I think we may be talking slightly across purposes here - by French front I don't mean hidden buttons. This is what I understand is a "French front":


I think the term French Front has dropped out of circulation to be honest. When I initially replied to TBM question I thought of using the term. I then went and consulted a number of mens wear books and no mention of was made in sections on shirts. Another term for hidden buttoned dress shirts is 'Fly front' and a formal or soup and fish dress shirt was known as a 'boiler' due to the washing requirements to remove starch.
post #28297 of 52380
I have only one dress shirt with a placket, a 'Keaton' model by RLPL. I don't really like the placket, as I tie asymmetrical knots (double four,
Prince Albert), and have to fuss over positioning the knot so the placket doesn't show unevenly.
post #28298 of 52380
I prefer plackets, in general. A French front looks asymmetical to me, as the only vertical line is off-center.
post #28299 of 52380
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Originally Posted by Pink Socks View Post


I presume you mean these Mr Nelson.
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Yes, exactly what I meant. You're like the Kingpin of the sartorial world!

post #28300 of 52380
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Originally Posted by Prince of Paisley View Post

The famous French-Italian shirt front:
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while we are on it



definitely french plackets for me
post #28301 of 52380
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Originally Posted by Prince of Paisley View Post

I think we may be talking slightly across purposes here - by French front I don't mean hidden buttons. This is what I understand is a "French front":
This is as opposed to a hidden placket, which is really most suitable for black tie IMO:
A French front shirt does look more refined (which - depending on your disposition and trade - may be good or bad). As Checkstar mentioned, 99% of store bought shirts - even the nicer ones - have a regular placket, so a Ffront is a little detail that sets you apart from the herd but not in a showy way. Same with rounded cuffs (whether they be double or single) as OTR shirts usually have square or diagonal-cut cuffs.
As for pockets in shirts, I agree they are practical but when you actually use them how you're meant to (i.e. stuff them full of your cards, pens, 8c/L fuel discount dockets, bank passbooks etc.) it looks messy, or as Romp said, (nutty) professor. Wallets, card holders, and jacket / trouser pockets all do the job of holding and concealing your crap better than your shirt does..
As for pens in pockets: not even once. They leak and it's game over for your day and the shirt.

Hang on you and romp - I don't stuff my shirt pockets (or any pockets for that matter) with anything. One or two other people's business cards and perhaps a parking ticket. All flat. The minute it is less than almost flat I re-arrange.

Re pens. Yes the old Kerry O'Brien green biro is a well documented disaster. I use a thin dull black metal biro - Parker or something - I don't remember and another one I have on me now - a freebie from my brothers company which is even thinner. Better to have leaking on shirt than on suit jacket anyway. Never had a pen leak for many many years.

re placket - the hidden buttons are more "formal". I tend to see the buttons and no showing placket as a lack of something. But there you go - I doubt most people notice anything except that you are the funny bloke with his shirt actually tucked into his trousers.

I keep my petrol discount dockets in the car door. And. Its always the wrong docket thats still in use by date - whatever fuel station you pull into.

and romp - if you do that Nutty Professor jibe again - I'll grab a cheap Tiger ticket and come up there and kick you in those hairy white sockless ankles. Thats if the flight leaves on time. Or I'll send blahman to put the frightners on you.
post #28302 of 52380

Looking for tips on my first sports jacket. Happy to spend up to $1000. Should I be going down the MTM path, and if that's not going to get me there then what do you recommend?

 

Cheers,

Grant

post #28303 of 52380
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Originally Posted by Orchie View Post

Looking for tips on my first sports jacket. Happy to spend up to $1000. Should I be going down the MTM path, and if that's not going to get me there then what do you recommend?


Cheers,

Grant
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post #28304 of 52380
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Originally Posted by fxh View Post


I tend to see the buttons and no showing placket as a lack of something. But there you go - I doubt most people notice anything except that you are the funny bloke with his shirt actually tucked into his trousers.

I keep my petrol discount dockets in the car door. And. Its always the wrong docket thats still in use by date - whatever fuel station you pull into.

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Originally Posted by fxh View Post

and romp - if you do that Nutty Professor jibe again - I'll grab a cheap Tiger ticket and come up there and kick you in those hairy white sockless ankles. Thats if the flight leaves on time. Or I'll send blahman to put the frightners on you.
It was me that added nutty... mea culpa, I meant it as a compliment. FWIW blahman puts the frightners on me without even being here...
post #28305 of 52380
I've heard that if you say blahman three times he appears behind you and strangles you with a pair of dad jeans from Kmart
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