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Michael Sy, I think you'll enjoy this from Ethan Newton:
What is luxury?
Relationships of substance and value with all the people in your world. The man who cuts your meat, grows your vegetables, fits your shoes, pulls your coffee.
Luxury is not being a slave to fashion, nor trend. Not shopping on sale, only to have more of what is not right. Luxury is having only in your life what is correct and right, and when the time is right.
Luxury is having an extra hour every day to read the paper, eat toast with your love before you leave the house, sit in a park at lunch and watch the grass grow. Even if it means you'll never drive an S-Class Mercedes or send your children to Knox.
What is value?
Value is paying 20 or 30 percent extra not to shop on sale. Value is the extra 50c it might cost to have a coffee that is truly superb, or the extra $30 a year you might tip your barista to remember that you like a single sugar and the milk extra hot.
Value isn't cheap. Value costs money, but it also costs time and consideration. Because if you value yourself, you don't skimp on what's important - time, quality, integrity.
It's one way of looking at things. It's the way Ethan looks at things, at least. Perhaps it's the right way, perhaps it's wrong. I don't know. Ethan's style of writing certainly romanticises it in such a way that it seems like the only conclusion. It's not. You have to decide what is/isn't fair smile.gif
On the one occasion I wore the Metro cotton jacket, I wore a white t-shirt, the jacket (in blue) and jeans. But dress is as much about context as anything else. I work in an ad agency and have a very lax dress code. I don't even have to wear a collared shirt, unless I'm seeing a client, and even then it's not mandatory. Go figure. The more time I spend on StyleForum, the more I enjoy learning from those much more informed than I on the history of classic menswear (fxh, in particular, is very well informed and always helpful with offering constructive guidance). However, there's another side to the whole thing for me. I also think, 'fuck it' about "rules". I'm 25 years old. Sometimes, I wish I had known more about collar gap or shoulder divots at 19, but would it have added any real meaning to my life at that stage? Probably not. They're clothes and as much as we like them, they're just that. Clothes. Wear whatever you like, make "mistakes" and have fun.

 

 

Ethan’s writing is very influential. When something is written clearly and in a simple manner it can be convincing. Considering he owns his own shop I can see why he is telling us not to chase the bargain J. I am sure he gets annoyed being constantly asked when the next Armoury sale is on. I can tell Rob is tired of me asking when the next O&J sale is on.

 

I can enjoy his interpretation of luxury and value. I had never considered value in the way he has. I had always considered value as the differential between the quality and the price paid for that quality. If the quality is exceptional, and the price is low, then in essence, you have found great value. However, his perspective is comes from a completely different place. Value is the extra you pay to get what is good – value is bought, not given.

 

I think both perspectives have their merits. In a pragmatic world a pragmatic approach is needed. You don’t buy clothes from Politix, because you think the construction, fabric and style is terrible quality – for the price paid. If that is not a measure of value, then what is? A few pages back when I was talking about Loake 1880s, someone said, “they are a great shoe for that price range” – this is value to me: quality at fair value.

 

I like your nonchalant attitude to clothing, an attitude I would like to adopt myself.

 

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TBMs post from ethan has always resounded well with me.
Luxury for me is having a day off when others are at work, pouring an exceptional coffee or spending time with my wife and kid.
Value i think is different from person to person because everyone has their own criteria and "values".
Re sportscoat if you want sub $400 you may need to stick to thrifting or mainstream brands like a sportscraft if you havent found what you are after at mjbale or the bone. Nothing wrong with these if it fits. You can work towards a mtm or bespoke piece later in life

 

 

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Sportscraft have a couple of cotten linen half lined sports coats which appear versitile for both work and play. There is a linen/cotton navy which looks ok on.
http://www.sportscraft.com.au/jackets/wendell-hounds-tooth-jacket/w1/i15793482_1001508/
http://www.sportscraft.com.au/jackets/brixton-regular-fit-jacket/w1/i13767219_1001508/

 

 

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Yes, this is def. what I will need to do until I can get back to exercise. A little boring and requires some self control (oh no!).
A little catch up on a few things discussed over last few days...
thebrownman - I lost a decent chuck of weight early last year (about 20kgs). Originally suffered through, then got a few decent things that could be altered altered, then sold or donated a lot of clothes and basically started again, which in a way was good as I could use the lessons learnt from making the mistakes over the years (your point about making mistakes and learning what works for you is so true). Slowly rebuilding a classic and versatile wardrobe, and once I got to a weight I was happy with I got myself as P Johnson number (MTM is good as apart from anything else having spent that much on a piece of clothing you are determined to stay in shape to wear it).
My advice for now, if you are still changing shape, is to get one suit altered as best as can be and just accept that it can will only serve you for a while and will prob. not be able to be sold on (thinking for your job and lifestyle you prob only need one good suit). Then once you are happy go for the P Johnson (or other MTM) number you really want. In the meantime if you need a little menswear purchase brighten up your week, shoes, pocket square, ties (though you prob have little use for them), socks or watches are the way to go. Good luck with it.
Mr Sy - in terms of sportscoats, I have said it before and I will say it again, if you can figure out your size, Boglioli is a good choice (if you do a search on this forum or my posts you should find place to get them within your price range and hear more on my views, I have 3 and am very happy with them). In the same vein re LBM 1911, Lardini and Piombo, but you may have to take the risk with sizing (though I believe places like Yoox and farfetch have good (and poss. free) returns policies).
PoP and fxh - great to read your views and discussions on monks, in particular black ones with double straps. I am still making up my mind and value your opinions. Realistically though most people will care less so I (obviously) need to please myself (and am having a bit of a relove of my black shoes at the moment) and hope that I do not end up in an important meeting with PoP/fhxh type chap judging me(!) if I get black double monk shoes. Really enjoy your in depth analysis. Am meeting Mr Nice Guy Nelson next week to look at a couple of his monks and get a better idea of what I want.
And to whoever asked where I box, I go to a place in Prahran, though only training, not fighting (however might consider that in the new year).
#apologies for fxh length post
#rambling in pink socks

 

 

 

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I am trying a second hand P Johnson cotton jacket on tomorrow. If it fits I will take it. If not, I will walk over to Herringbone and try their two cotton jackets. If none of those are a go, I will try Sports Craft et al. I like the Boglioli jackets Pink Socks, but they are outside of my price range at this stage.

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Thanks for the suggestions guys. I am trying a second hand P Johnson cotton jacket on tomorrow. If it fits I will take it. If not, I will walk over to Herringbone and try their two cotton jackets. If none of those are a go, I will try Sports Craft et al. I like the Boglioli jackets Pink Socks, but they are outside of my price range at this stage.

I think that $350 for an odd jacket is excellent value, if it fits well. Herringbone's jackets are quite well made and I've got four or five of them.

Depending on your personal preferences (and I don't want to turn you into someone who is obsessive about such details), you might want to check the lapel buttonhole on the Herringbone odd jackets because, in the past, some of the cotton jackets had "keyhole" lapel buttonholes, rather than straight cut buttonholes. Some people don't mind that at all, but I have a strong preference for straight cut lapel buttonholes.

Another option is to go into your local Polo Ralph Lauren store and try on some of their Polo made-in-Italy suits or jackets (which are made by Corneliani) and then see what you can find on eBay, as you can typically get new-with-tags (NWT) Polo clothing on eBay for 25-50% of what it retails for here.
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I got my Owen and James red chambray shirt today. As I was opening the packaging, I looked in and thought to myself "I didn't order a white cotton shirt. ROB?!?!?!?". That's when I realised O&J send out their shirts in very nice cotton bags shog[1].gif

 

In any case, this is a very well made shirt and I'm looking forward to putting this to good use over the coming months. I put a little more detail up on my blog: http://gezzaseyes.tumblr.com/post/35170937474/arrived-today-i-finally-got-around-to-ordering

 

 

 

 

The handwritten note was also a very nice touch. fing02[1].gif Great job, Rob and Cam!

 

If you haven't taken advantage of the sale, do consider it - I'm glad I did!

 

 

 

Gerry thanks for the kind words and im very glad that you liked the shirt! I had to read your post twice as I thought you were saying I sent you the wrong shirt!! We like to put all our products into a garment bag first to protect them in the post:)

 

Sold out most sizing now. Restocking some styles and getting popovers in very soon .. oh and ive added a blue dress shirt plain blue shirt for those that have been enquiring!

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whoever was looking for white irish linen i noted that pjohnson has some back in stock

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Originally Posted by Michael Sy View Post

Ethan’s writing is very influential. When something is written clearly and in a simple manner it can be convincing. Considering he owns his own shop I can see why he is telling us not to chase the bargain J. I am sure he gets annoyed being constantly asked when the next Armoury sale is on. I can tell Rob is tired of me asking when the next O&J sale is on.

I can enjoy his interpretation of luxury and value. I had never considered value in the way he has. I had always considered value as the differential between the quality and the price paid for that quality. If the quality is exceptional, and the price is low, then in essence, you have found great value. However, his perspective is comes from a completely different place. Value is the extra you pay to get what is good – value is bought, not given.

I think both perspectives have their merits. In a pragmatic world a pragmatic approach is needed. You don’t buy clothes from Politix, because you think the construction, fabric and style is terrible quality – for the price paid. If that is not a measure of value, then what is? A few pages back when I was talking about Loake 1880s, someone said, “they are a great shoe for that price range” – this is value to me: quality at fair value.

I like your nonchalant attitude to clothing, an attitude I would like to adopt myself.

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Thanks for the suggestions guys. I am trying a second hand P Johnson cotton jacket on tomorrow. If it fits I will take it. If not, I will walk over to Herringbone and try their two cotton jackets. If none of those are a go, I will try Sports Craft et al. I like the Boglioli jackets Pink Socks, but they are outside of my price range at this stage.

Value is all in your perception. Many men (by which I mean the vast majority) would think that paying $250 for a pair of shoes is not good value, when they can buy shoes that do the same damn thing for $80 from the Myer sales. Because someone has told you that Loake shoes are good quality, you are now prepared to pay $250 for them and think you are ahead - but only because you value certain characteristics in your shoes (Goodyear welting, better quality leather), and perceive that as "better" than a pair of Indian made, glued sole shoes.

Other people don't have the same set of values for shoes or jackets or any number of things. For most people a jacket is just an extra layer to keep the cold out. They don't care about surgeon's cuffs or hand sewn buttonholes. The fact that you are prepared to pay a certain amount for these things is a reflection on you, not the article itself. Any given item may have a million values placed upon it by a million individuals (or one individual a million times), but it's still the same item.
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Just received both my WH Taylor poplin white shirt for work which is a slim fit, yes slim fit and my build is like a 'slender' open side flanker. On advice went for size larger with an 18 inch collar fit is very similar to H&K but with out the absurd price they now charge.

And my Owen and James OCBD arrived as well, can see I will get a fair bit of casual wear out of it and that it should soften up with repeated washings. Nice one Rob.
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Thanks for the suggestions guys. I am trying a second hand P Johnson cotton jacket on tomorrow. If it fits I will take it. If not, I will walk over to Herringbone and try their two cotton jackets. If none of those are a go, I will try Sports Craft et al. I like the Boglioli jackets Pink Socks, but they are outside of my price range at this stage.

Sounds like a good idea MS. If you do decide to look at Boglioli etc I am pretty sure you can find something on sale at yoox or farfetch within your price range and it will be better than something you could get here at similar price.

This was my original post with the links -
http://www.styleforum.net/t/88856/australian-members/9950_50#post_5182308

and I got my most recent one here for under $300 delivered (after doing a search for promo code and finding a free delivery one) - http://www.farfetch.com/shopping/sale/men/boglioli/items.aspx
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Gerry thanks for the kind words and im very glad that you liked the shirt! I had to read your post twice as I thought you were saying I sent you the wrong shirt!! We like to put all our products into a garment bag first to protect them in the post:)

 

Sold out most sizing now. Restocking some styles and getting popovers in very soon .. oh and ive added a blue dress shirt plain blue shirt for those that have been enquiring!

 

smile.gif Don't worry, Rob - if you'd sent the wrong shirt, I wouldn't be posting here first.

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On an entirely different topic, CNN, NBC, CBS and Fox have all called the election for Obama.

Even though it appears that Romney will win the popular vote, Obama is estimated as having 250 electoral college votes at present, as opposed to Romney's 206, with 270 EC votes needed to win the election.

The ABC's live election feed is here.
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During his second term, maybe these dinosaurs spouting the legitimate rape line should take a sex education course... nest.gif

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I went into the Canali store in Sydney today – a lot of nice jackets, ties, and shirts. I was looking for a new suit but I was just browsing. That didn't really seem to work too well on the sales people there.

 

They're friendly, I suppose, but a little pushy.

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During his second term, maybe these dinosaurs spouting the legitimate rape line should take a sex education course... nest.gif

 

I think you'll find the women were asking for it. Dressing like prostitutes and having sex out of wedlock [/sarcasm]

 

In other news, took delivery of my first pair of shell cordovan shoes yesterday. Will be interesting to see how they break in, but first impressions are great.

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That's just not funny. This thread should be above that type of "humour".
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I think you'll find the women were asking for it. Dressing like prostitutes and having sex out of wedlock [/sarcasm]

 

In other news, took delivery of my first pair of shell cordovan shoes yesterday. Will be interesting to see how they break in, but first impressions are great.

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