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i was told PJohnson was made by suit supply. Given the amount of credit given to PJ i'm assuming this is wrong?
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Good luck buying a non Luxottica eyeglass frame
(and also lenses these days)

Luxottica is possible one of the world’s largest near monopolies. They run an increasingly vertically integrated model from design, manufacturing, retail and in USA eye health care. ( Luxottica also designs for the “designer” labels)

Although they originated in Italy and still retain a presence there most of their manufacturing occurs in China. As you know with some exceptions glasses frames are bits of moulded plastic and some screws and metal. (its estimated in Australia that the markup on many frames is in the order of 1000%.

The rules about “Made In Italy” are complex, contradictory, and rarely and weakly enforced.

In the Italian legalisation itself complex separate pieces of legalisation are contradictory and can be interpreted as cancelling each other out. Much of this Italian legislation is in conflict with EU legislation. To say it is confused is to be kind.

There is legal opinion – in Italy – that would suggest that if your main headquarters, or even a significant headquarters, is addressed in Italy then you may describe your product as “Made in Italy’

Without wishing to be unfair to the Italian system of governance and law one might suggest that there are some pockets where policy and enforcement may be less rigorous than some other countries.

(Note I have made no mention of outright misrepresentation by use of the Made in Italy designation by products with no connection to Italy other than having once eaten a slice of pizza – or not)

The house Luxottica brands include:
Arnette, Eye Safety Systems, K&L, Luxottica, Mosley Tribes, Oakley, Oliver Peoples, Persol, Ray-Ban, Revo, Sferoflex, Vogue

The company also creates eyewear under license for designer labels such as
Anne Klein, Brooks Brothers, Bulgari, Burberry, Chanel, Chaps, Coach, Dolce and Gabbana, DKNY, Donna Karan eyewear, Miu Miu, Polo Ralph Lauren, Prada, Ralph Lauren Purple Label, Paul Smith, Stella McCartney, Tiffany & Co., Tory Burch, Versace, Versus

Retail
Luxottica Retail has more than 7,000 retail locations in the United States, South America, Canada, China, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel, the United Kingdom and United Arab Emirates. The headquarters of the retail division is in Mason, Ohio,

Their retail banners include:Sunglass Hut International, LensCrafters, Pearle Vision, Pearle Opticians, Sears Optical Target Optical, OPSM, ILORI, Bright Eyes, Budget Eyewear, Cole Vision Care Optical Shop of Aspen, Surfeyes, Laubman & Pank, ICON, Grand Optics LLC
post #19714 of 54741
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Originally Posted by elvish View Post

i was told PJohnson was made by suit supply. Given the amount of credit given to PJ i'm assuming this is wrong?

That is indeed incorrect. Their garments are made in The Netherlands (either by Possen or Sanko/Sbanko - SP???).
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Originally Posted by elvish View Post

i was told PJohnson was made by suit supply. Given the amount of credit given to PJ i'm assuming this is wrong?

 

Yes.

post #19716 of 54741
A couple of pics of my two pairs of Alden cordovan after a good brushing.

Alden Longwing (Cigar Shell)



Alden for J.Crew (Colour 8 Cap Toe Boot)

post #19717 of 54741
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Originally Posted by Gerry Nelson View Post

Yes.

Which part are you saying yes to, G?

There's a fair amount of confusion as to the production of PJohnson garments here in this thread. I certainly don't know for sure, but then I don't own any PJohnson. All I know is that of the many friends I have who have clothes from there, all are very satisfied and at the end of the day, there's more to a garment than its place of origin.
post #19718 of 54741
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Originally Posted by thebrownman View Post

Which part are you saying yes to, G?
There's a fair amount of confusion as to the production of PJohnson garments here in this thread. I certainly don't know for sure, but then I don't own any PJohnson. All I know is that of the many friends I have who have clothes from there, all are very satisfied and at the end of the day, there's more to a garment than its place of origin.

PJ suits are made in the Netherlands. Suit Supply is a dutch company that sells suits made in other countries (my suit supply jacket is made in china). I think that's why there is confusion.
post #19719 of 54741

I have made a vow never to purchase from Luxxotica. They are an amazing company with staggering profit margins but as fxh points out in detail, they are truly close to a monopoly. For glasses frames, with lenses supplied by a guy in Surry Hills, check out http://www.sneakingduck.com/ Run by an ex Google exec and by the same team as Shoes of Prey, which makes custom footwear for women. They also have a great try-before-you-buy system, worth a look.

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Originally Posted by fxh View Post

Good luck buying a non Luxottica eyeglass frame
(and also lenses these days)
Luxottica is possible one of the world’s largest near monopolies. They run an increasingly vertically integrated model from design, manufacturing, retail and in USA eye health care. ( Luxottica also designs for the “designer” labels)
Although they originated in Italy and still retain a presence there most of their manufacturing occurs in China. As you know with some exceptions glasses frames are bits of moulded plastic and some screws and metal. (its estimated in Australia that the markup on many frames is in the order of 1000%.
The rules about “Made In Italy” are complex, contradictory, and rarely and weakly enforced.
In the Italian legalisation itself complex separate pieces of legalisation are contradictory and can be interpreted as cancelling each other out. Much of this Italian legislation is in conflict with EU legislation. To say it is confused is to be kind.
There is legal opinion – in Italy – that would suggest that if your main headquarters, or even a significant headquarters, is addressed in Italy then you may describe your product as “Made in Italy’
Without wishing to be unfair to the Italian system of governance and law one might suggest that there are some pockets where policy and enforcement may be less rigorous than some other countries.
(Note I have made no mention of outright misrepresentation by use of the Made in Italy designation by products with no connection to Italy other than having once eaten a slice of pizza – or not)
The house Luxottica brands include:
Arnette, Eye Safety Systems, K&L, Luxottica, Mosley Tribes, Oakley, Oliver Peoples, Persol, Ray-Ban, Revo, Sferoflex, Vogue
The company also creates eyewear under license for designer labels such as
Anne Klein, Brooks Brothers, Bulgari, Burberry, Chanel, Chaps, Coach, Dolce and Gabbana, DKNY, Donna Karan eyewear, Miu Miu, Polo Ralph Lauren, Prada, Ralph Lauren Purple Label, Paul Smith, Stella McCartney, Tiffany & Co., Tory Burch, Versace, Versus
Retail
Luxottica Retail has more than 7,000 retail locations in the United States, South America, Canada, China, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel, the United Kingdom and United Arab Emirates. The headquarters of the retail division is in Mason, Ohio,
Their retail banners include:Sunglass Hut International, LensCrafters, Pearle Vision, Pearle Opticians, Sears Optical Target Optical, OPSM, ILORI, Bright Eyes, Budget Eyewear, Cole Vision Care Optical Shop of Aspen, Surfeyes, Laubman & Pank, ICON, Grand Optics LLC
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If you want to avoid Luxxotica, I highly recommend Modo eyewear. Based and designed in New York, made in Japan. With my ridiculous prescription, I need glasses and demand a lot of them. My current Modo frames have been through everything from being dropped countless times and slept on to a particularly hairy experience at the beach where I lost them as I went under a wave. Yep. Rookie error. But there they were, lodged in the seabed when we found them 15 minutes later. Safe to say I have a soft spot for them.  

post #19721 of 54741
I've been wearing some Randolph Engineering square aviators for a couple of years. Tough as nails and they look pretty sharp.
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Originally Posted by thebrownman View Post


Which part are you saying yes to, G?
There's a fair amount of confusion as to the production of PJohnson garments here in this thread. I certainly don't know for sure, but then I don't own any PJohnson. All I know is that of the many friends I have who have clothes from there, all are very satisfied and at the end of the day, there's more to a garment than its place of origin.

Hey TBM, just answering the question: " Given the amount of credit given to PJ i'm assuming this is wrong?".

 

Yes, this is wrong smile.gif

post #19723 of 54741
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Originally Posted by DartagnanRed View Post

I have made a vow never to purchase from Luxxotica. They are an amazing company with staggering profit margins but as fxh points out in detail, they are truly close to a monopoly. For glasses frames, with lenses supplied by a guy in Surry Hills, check out http://www.sneakingduck.com/ Run by an ex Google exec and by the same team as Shoes of Prey, which makes custom footwear for women. They also have a great try-before-you-buy system, worth a look.

i met michael - nice guy, great business models. wish him every success.

post #19724 of 54741
Right, I got you smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Jimbosaurus View Post

I've been wearing some Randolph Engineering square aviators for a couple of years. Tough as nails and they look pretty sharp.

I have some REs as well. They sure are built to last.

Buying from Luxxotica doesn't bother me at all. If they are selling stuff that looks good and you can get them at the right price that's all that matters (assuming they aren't behaving in an unethical way).
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