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post #17746 of 52383
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Originally Posted by lennier View Post


They might use the same makers in the Netherlands (or not, the pictures could come from anywhere), but the process is decidedly inferior. If your custom suit doesn't fit you need to 'get it altered at your expense and record the changes so we can get it perfect next time?' Seriously?

 

To be fair, that's why KW suggests getting the trial suit first, decide what alterations you need and return it to get a new custom suit.

 

"Unlike other custom tailors, we prefer to first send you one of our ready-to-wear suits for you to try on, and then you can note measurement modifications based on that (e.g. +1" waist, -0.5" sleeve, etc.). This allows us to have a very good chance of making your first suit fit perfectly. Whereas the more common method of simply submitting a set of measurements typically results in ill-fitting, unwearable suits for the first one or two iterations, and is a waste of your time and money."

 

All this, of course, takes longer and depends on you getting the alterations correct rather than having someone measure up and adjust accordingly. You still pay shipping to get the trial suit (and swatches) and return it.

 

However, if you know your measurements, then the KW route may be a good way to go.

post #17747 of 52383
The workshop which makes the PJ Product definitely make for other MTM-Operations. But the KW stuff is made in China, so definitely not the same workshop.

Here is an example - http://jeharveykelly.com/
post #17748 of 52383
Just quietly too, what cracking day today! Been for a spin this morning (got swooped twice) with the boys and been mowing the lawns since then. Good to get some sunshine on the skin.
post #17749 of 52383
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Originally Posted by quar View Post

The workshop which makes the PJ Product definitely make for other MTM-Operations. But the KW stuff is made in China, so definitely not the same workshop.
Here is an example - http://jeharveykelly.com/

So, they use different factories but use the same stock photos? Isn't that a little...odd?
post #17750 of 52383
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Originally Posted by TheWraith View Post

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Originally Posted by quar View Post

The workshop which makes the PJ Product definitely make for other MTM-Operations. But the KW stuff is made in China, so definitely not the same workshop.
Here is an example - http://jeharveykelly.com/

So, they use different factories but use the same stock photos? Isn't that a little...odd?

It happens a lot in online retail. Website designers get lazy, and so do their clients.
post #17751 of 52383
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Originally Posted by TheWraith View Post

So, they use different factories but use the same stock photos? Isn't that a little...odd?

I don't know for sure, only what I'm told. KW claims his suits are made in China. PJ claims his suits are made in The Netherlands. So logic would suggest they are different factories.

If you want to speculate that there is some dishonesty about the country of origin of either company, go ahead. You are well-known for your negative attitude towards P Johnson, so we expect such behaviour from you.
post #17752 of 52383
I really like the following fabric from KW. However I'm not too sure I want to pay an extra $120 for shipping costs just to get it (getting the trial suit, returning it when it doesn't fit just to get measurements and then finally paying for shipping when the MTM is ready)

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post #17753 of 52383
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Originally Posted by Prof. B. Bear View Post

I really like the following fabric from KW. However I'm not too sure I want to pay an extra $120 for shipping costs just to get it (getting the trial suit, returning it when it doesn't fit just to get measurements and then finally paying for shipping when the MTM is ready)
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I agree. That's the issue with KW - it's the double shipping + return that pushes what was an $800 suit into the $1000+ territory, which is getting exceedingly close to PJ's, so you might as well go with the latter in the first place. 

post #17754 of 52383
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Originally Posted by quar View Post

I don't know for sure, only what I'm told. KW claims his suits are made in China. PJ claims his suits are made in The Netherlands. So logic would suggest they are different factories.
If you want to speculate that there is some dishonesty about the country of origin of either company, go ahead. You are well-known for your negative attitude towards P Johnson, so we expect such behaviour from you.

I said it's odd to be using the same photos (particularly if they're different factories, if that is indeed the case), nothing more. Any bad attitude displayed here is coming from yourself, not me.
post #17755 of 52383
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Originally Posted by Naka View Post

It happens a lot in online retail. Website designers get lazy, and so do their clients.

I didn't know this. A shame. Thanks for enlightening me.
post #17756 of 52383
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Originally Posted by blahman View Post

The cut is just much too different to be from the same makers.

Hypothetically even if KW and PJ shared the same manufacturer, their finished product will still be worlds apart because of the patterns used.

As far as I know, PJ own their own patterns which they designed and are consistently researching ways to improve (for instance, I know they are working on adding a function to adjust for shoulder pitch). Given that PJ himself is trained as a tailor in London, I would imagine that regardless of the manufacturer, his patterns are based on his interpenetration or spin on the classic suit. If they chose to change manufacturer, apart from initial teething issues, I am sure they could get a consistent end product elsewhere because PJ owns the patterns and can take it with them. As far as I know, KW is not trained as a tailor and even if he did use the same manufacturer as PJ, I would question where he is getting his patter from; it could be something original or an off-the-shelf pattern provided by the manufacturer - who really knows (its all just innuendo and speculation at this stage).
post #17757 of 52383
^ Yep, no worries.
post #17758 of 52383
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Originally Posted by TheWraith View Post

So, they use different factories but use the same stock photos? Isn't that a little...odd?

Not in the least, it's extremely common when illustrating something generic like aspects of suit construction.
post #17759 of 52383
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Originally Posted by lennier 
Not in the least, it's extremely common when illustrating something generic like aspects of suit construction.

Fair enough. Again, thanks for enlightening me.
post #17760 of 52383
Anyone feeling brave?

Saw these in an op shop today for $25. Probably a US size. Look to be in VGC although there was one black mark on the side might need a little work. Not sure if these are genuine Church, as I've not seen this label before. It reads "Handmade. Made exclusively for Church's shoes. New York. Beverley Hills". The Church's lettering looks like the regular logo.


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If anyone's keen I can try to grab them for you next week some time.
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