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post #16771 of 57237
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Originally Posted by UnnamedPlayer View Post

Why are the ties so expensive?
Or in less inflammatory terms, why does this tie sell for the price it does?

I would seriously love to know if this is a case of the tie priced where it is due to an accumulation of costs or if
this is one of those times a tie could cost $5 to make and because the market has set the price of "good ties" at $99 that is what it sells for.

I made my own tie over the weekend and total cost was $13 for fabric and $2 for the opshop tie I pulled apart to get to the inner-linning.
Add $1 for needle and thread, $2 a tie ( spread across 10 ties) for a rotary cutter and away you go.

Would there be a market in Australia for hand made ties at $50 a pop?
I think your confusing hand made with home made. They are a completely different kettle of fish.

I don't think think $99.95 for a completely hand made un-tipped 7 fold tie with hand rolled edges is that expensive at all really. P.Johnsons sells his, almost exactly the same for around $180-$190 and Vanda are around $20-30 more expensive too, so in comparison I think mine are priced very competitively. I also offer a permanent 10% discount for SF members.

Anyway to answer your question yes it's an accumulation of costs, using the best artisans in the world, shipping, duty, GST, holding stock, on costs such as advertising etc etc and of course profit margin. We use a small family business in Naples that have been doing it for 40 years now, there's plenty of others doing cheap crappy ties. You couldn't do it in Australia for $50, period. Where would you get your silk from to make a decent range for starters? My guy has about 3000 to choose from. You also haven't factored your time in to that cost? How long did it take you to make that 1 tie?

I could make the same thing with my tie maker in Italy, using a classic lined construction instead of 7 fold, only part hand work instead of full etc etc and probably sell them for $50, but what would be the point? My point of difference isn't price, it's that I can give my customer something exclusive they are un-likely to find elsewhere. Anyone can buy a $50 "handmade" tie from DJ's already.

I hope that helps explain a bit. Cheers, Jason
post #16772 of 57237

Hi Jason,

On my monitor this tie looks like it almost has a teal blue tinge to it?... Or is it just silver.. either way looks great!

post #16773 of 57237
It's a light silver, I need to play around with the post production on this one. It's very hard to get the floral detail to come up with it lighter. It would make a perfect summer/wedding tie.
post #16774 of 57237
Quote:
Originally Posted by UnnamedPlayer View Post

Why are the ties so expensive?
Or in less inflammatory terms, why does this tie sell for the price it does?

I would seriously love to know if this is a case of the tie priced where it is due to an accumulation of costs or if
this is one of those times a tie could cost $5 to make and because the market has set the price of "good ties" at $99 that is what it sells for.

I made my own tie over the weekend and total cost was $13 for fabric and $2 for the opshop tie I pulled apart to get to the inner-linning.
Add $1 for needle and thread, $2 a tie ( spread across 10 ties) for a rotary cutter and away you go.

Would there be a market in Australia for hand made ties at $50 a pop?

Price is a relative thing. For most here $99 for an italian made 7 fold is good value.

$50 for a op shop hack job on the other hand may be considered expensive.

Remembering of course value is more than price alone.
post #16775 of 57237

I ended up getting the caramel twill tie after a bit of thought - this tie will go with nearly all of my jackets and suits and I don't have anything that's close to that colour. Can't wait for it to arrive!

post #16776 of 57237
The caramel twill is a lovely tie. Gerry, given our (darker) complexions, I'd opt to wear it against a royal purple sweater or cardigan with a subtle blue shirt (just picturing it in my head). But there are so many ways to wear the caramel colour.

While I worked at Herringbone, I always disliked the idea of shirt/tie combinations. Many customers would buy a shirt and then a tie to go with it, which was good for Herringbone's bottom-line, but in my mind a (business) ties' greatest asset is its versatility, and the caramel twill Jason is selling has it in spades.
post #16777 of 57237
On (tie) pricing my rule of thumb is be very careful with anything more expensive than Hober.

http://www.samhober.com/ties/customnecktieprices.htm

This means that say up to Vanda / Panta prices seems reasonable*, beyond this you are getting into serious premium teritory


*I like to just right (and I'm overly picky) at this price given the competition.


As an aside the reason large scale pattern pocket squares (ex rubinacci, certain drakes) are so expensive is the price to do a whole run.
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Originally Posted by thebrownman View Post


While I worked at Herringbone, I always disliked the idea of shirt/tie combinations. Many customers would buy a shirt and then a tie to go with it, which was good for their bottom-line, but in my mind a (business) ties' greatest asset is its versatility, and the caramel twill Jason is selling has it in spades.

Strongly agree. If a tie doesn't go with (almost) everything (that I own) that is
a) formality apropriate
b) Season apropriate (no linen ties for example don't need to go with say flannel)
I reconsider.
post #16778 of 57237
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Originally Posted by kickstart View Post

Anyone got suggestions for what the next step up is for MTO shirts online after CottonWork is?
I ordered a Cottonwork "Leggiuno" fabric shirt for $130 and for that price the quality in stitching and the fabric doesn't have the longevity or feel that Herringbone is offering at $99-$150 these days.
I would like to buy OTR Herringbone shirts but they don't fit me as well as they could...
Would be greatful for some suggestions. Unfortunately PJohnson at $225-275 a shirt is just out of my league.

why not use herringbone MTM then? theyre under $200 i thought
post #16779 of 57237
Or bawdenbespoke.com? $125 and $155 options.
post #16780 of 57237
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Originally Posted by fox81 View Post


why not use herringbone MTM then? theyre under $200 i thought

 

or Charles Nakhle. his shop is around the corner from my office. does shirts for about $200 a pop. all i've heard is high praises for his shirts and his service (i have zero affiliation with him).


Edited by sliq - 8/21/12 at 7:10pm
post #16781 of 57237
Jason - any plans on adding 9cm ties to the arsenal? I am in the Sydney office rocking one of my recent acquisitions from you today, which I love but can't help to think that it would be just marginally better with a bit more in the width department (much like my Australian members tie which I got in 9cm).
post #16782 of 57237
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Originally Posted by sliq View Post

or Charles Nakhle. his shop is around the corner from my office. does shirts for about $200 a pop. all i've heard is high praises for his shirts and his service (i have zero affiliation with him).

Actually, Charles charges roughly $235 for decent, basic fabrics that he has on hand.

The more luxurious 'stuff' like 120 2-folds in Sic Tess, Classic Shirtings, Tessutera Monti or Alumo can run into the $260 - $300 range.

Super-luxe fabrics such as 2-fold 200s, or 3-fold 200s in any of these run higher than $300 and up to $400 possibly.

Sounds expensive till you consider that a Brioni or Kiton shirt from Harrolds made of unknown fabric (possibly the likes of Sic Tess and Alumo but who knows?) can cost you roughly $600 - $900...
post #16783 of 57237
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Originally Posted by ColdEyedPugilist View Post


Actually, Charles charges roughly $235 for decent, basic fabrics that he has on hand.
The more luxurious 'stuff' like 120 2-folds in Sic Tess, Classic Shirtings, Tessutera Monti or Alumo can run into the $260 - $300 range.
Super-luxe fabrics such as 2-fold 200s, or 3-fold 200s in any of these run higher than $300 and up to $400 possibly.
Sounds expensive till you consider that a Brioni or Kiton shirt from Harrolds made of unknown fabric (possibly the likes of Sic Tess and Alumo but who knows?) can cost you roughly $600 - $900...

When put in perspective im very happy with my P johnson MTM's. I have 15ish that i just cycle through and they wear well!

post #16784 of 57237
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Originally Posted by Romp View Post

When put in perspective im very happy with my P johnson MTM's. I have 15ish that i just cycle through and they wear well!

Patrick's shirts are freakin excellent!!

I have 4 of them, one of which (T Mason white oxford) I'm wearing right now. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #16785 of 57237
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