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__PG__ · Jun 24, 2011

Originally Posted by ned kelly

I have a sibling who works as an anaesthetist in Canada. Canada has a National Health Service. The NHS sets the Doctors fees ,this limits Doctor's income as the can't charge above the set fee for any given service.About 5 years ago my sibling earnt about C$200,000 p.a. I was a patient in an Australian Hospital and when i went under a general anaesthetic. I told my sibling the cost of my anaesthetic . I was informed that this was triple the Canadian cost for the same procedure. If you triple the chargefor Australian Anaesthetists they will earn 600,000 p.a .

What do Canadian anaesthetists earn in the private health sector?

appolyon · Jun 24, 2011

Originally Posted by ColdEyedPugilist

Did you read the posted comments for that article? Some were pretty hilarious.

I refrain from reading the comments because at best they make my head hurt. I scanned them and found this beauty:

My rule is - if they are wearing a tie, beware, they are trying to sell you something.

Having detested these rags my whole 51 years, I totally refuse to wear them anywhere; job interviews, funerals, you name it. Still managed to always have a good job. Haven't had a corpse complain.

They are Yuck!

You go man!

elvish · Jun 24, 2011

a little off topic but talking of good service I think Harrolds are quite good.

A lot people say the staff are on you like a rash but I found the store manager in Sydney very helpful in directing me to what I wanted and alterations are free which is nice of them... granted the mark up makes it irrelevant but thoughtful none-the-less.

fxh · Jun 24, 2011

No ties

That article is another of the facile - isn't its year since we did an article on ties by getting a junior idiot reporter ringing a few advertisers - regular nonsense we see in the media.

"You can still look smart and formal without wearing a tie. I wouldn't associate the tie with being a symbol of authority and control," she says. "Its absence doesn't detract from that authority, but I would baulk at them wearing a T-shirt."

Well you might look smart but you can't possibly look formal without a tie.

Professor Theo van Leeuwen, Dean of Humanities and Social Sciences at Sydney's University of Technology, says the absence of the tie is actually a new uniform, not a breakaway from the old one, and its purpose is to draw us in.

"It is a strategy to lure you in, to make us more comfortable about (the presenters') role and make them feel one of us. Anybody who has power has to try and legitimate it in some way."

Van Leeuwen says TV news is increasingly being personalised with its official voice downplayed, but the relationship with the audience hasn't changed.

"The newsreader is still the newsreader and brings with them the authority of the news," say van Leeuwen, who, like the university's senior management, lawyers and investment bankers, still wears a tie to work.

Sporting an open neck is a show of power, van Leeuwen says, and CEOs dispense with ties because they can.

"If you're more powerful you might have a choice. But it creates a lot of confusion because if you have a lower role you might have to wear the uniform."

Asking a Humanities academic about how to dress well might be akin to asking Paris Hilton about hard work.

But. Hes about right.

Its the new uniform.

I don't have a problem with no tie - except that for very rare cases no tie and with a suit looks like crap - wear a sport jacket or no jacket but not the ubiquitous bloody black suit with open necked shirt.

At the request of more than 60 clients, workers at Adelaide sales and marketing consultancy Patrick Baker and Associates now meet with clients without wearing ties, and with their jackets slung over a chair.

"The exchange of ideal flows much more; everyone opens up much more," says marketing director Steve Davis.

"The tie does create a formal atmosphere like a priest wearing robes to separate them from the flock, and that's not conducive to a client opening up," he says. "But we're still in crisp business shirts and cufflinks - we still wear pants."

I call absolute bullshit - you telling me that 60 clients of a "sales and marketing consultancy" actually asked them not to wear a tie ? Nonsense. Perhaps they asked them to justify their fees for garbled "advice" like this:

The Six Star Sales Formula

This workshop details a powerful 6-step process for reviewing and optimising your sales activities including:

1. Strategic Questions Checklist

2. Opening Game Plan

3. Features and Benefits Menu

4. Objections Register

5. Closing Techniques Menu

6. Targeting and Follow up Checklist

You will take home with you: useful check-lists, tips and suggestions on how to streamline and improve your sales conversion process.

But we're still in crisp business shirts and cufflinks - we still wear pants

Well thats a relief - they wear pants! Hey can't wait to see these cats in shirts - no jacket - no tie but - wait for it - cufflinks! Oozes class

ColdEyedPugilist · Jun 24, 2011

Originally Posted by elvish

a little off topic but talking of good service I think Harrolds are quite good.

A lot people say the staff are on you like a rash but I found the store manager in Sydney very helpful in directing me to what I wanted and alterations are free which is nice of them... granted the mark up makes it irrelevant but thoughtful none-the-less.

If you mean Gino... yes, he's a really nice guy.

Always a gent regardless of how much you spend.

ned kelly · Jun 24, 2011

The short answer is i don't know. As i understand the private health sector in Canada is tiny. I think the private system does cosmetic surgery and perhaps varicose veins. All major stuff like cancer ,heart attacks, car accidents maternity go to the public system. Basically the Canadian NHS as a virtual monopoly employer of Doctors and buyer Doctor's services effectively caps Doctors income.

fxh · Jun 24, 2011

Ties

Those boys in men's bodies who say wearing a tie is uncomfortable are just immature as well as illogical.

There is nothing uncomfortable at all about wearing a tie.

ned kelly · Jun 24, 2011

P G Please See Post #5361

ColdEyedPugilist · Jun 24, 2011

Originally Posted by fxh

Ties

Those boys in men's bodies who say wearing a tie is uncomfortable are just immature as well as illogical.

There is nothing uncomfortable at all about wearing a tie.

My 'favourite' look: Suit buttoned up over a shirt; no tie.

To me, it says: I was getting dressed this morning, but had a sudden onset of Alzheimers, and therefore buttoned up my suit jacket, but forgot to first don my tie.

fxh · Jun 24, 2011

Originally Posted by ned kelly

The short answer is i don't know. As i understand the private health sector in Canada is tiny. I think the private system does cosmetic surgery and perhaps varicose veins. All major stuff like cancer ,heart attacks, car accidents maternity go to the public system. Basically the Canadian NHS as a virtual monopoly employer of Doctors and buyer Doctor's services effectively caps Doctors income.

The Canadian system isn't all that different from the Australian in the Public private/ mix. Much of what is called "private" medicine in Oz is funded largely (85% or so) by the public purse through MBS /PBS.

__PG__ · Jun 24, 2011

I wear my 'casual suits' often with no tie.

fxh · Jun 24, 2011

Originally Posted by __PG__

I wear my 'casual suits' often with no tie.

Yeah well - there are exceptions - linen - cotton etc - depends on the color and cut too.

fxh · Jun 24, 2011

My good Tefal Aquaspeed 160 ultraglide iron has gone all wonky.

I see Target has a $99 Sunbeam UlturaÂ

70 Platinum on special @$49

http://www.sunbeam.com.au/au/products/laundry/sr5770/

Any of youse have a recommendation or experience of the Sunbeam?

blahman · Jun 24, 2011

That being said, I still go tie-less with suit often enough. I'm already dressing a little too well compared to the rest of the people in my current office. And when I'm in a navy suit, white slightly taller cut-away collar shirt, cardigan that end up looking a little waist-coaty, a tie and elegant shoes, I feel way overdressed. So I go tieless and pretend I'm channeling some FU Tom Ford 3piece no tie thing. Normal spread collar and no cardigan, I keep my tie on.

fxh · Jun 24, 2011

Originally Posted by blahman

That being said, I still go tie-less with suit often enough. I'm already dressing a little too well compared to the rest of the people in my current office. And when I'm in a navy suit, white slightly taller cut-away collar shirt, cardigan that end up looking a little waist-coaty, a tie and elegant shoes, I feel way overdressed. So I go tieless and pretend I'm channeling some FU Tom Ford 3piece no tie thing. Normal spread collar and no cardigan, I keep my tie on.

Cardigan - mmh I think I saw you the other day at Docklands - snapped a pic on my phone

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