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post #10006 of 48666
tossing up whether to buy a dinner suit from the R&B clearance. I'd be lucky to wear one once a year, but for $250 (down from $1100+) it could be a handy thing to have in the wardrobe.
post #10007 of 48666
Where is the R&B Clearance?
post #10008 of 48666
Gents. I will now declare that I will impose on myself a 6 month ban on Sartorially related purchases with only option to purchase 1 pair of socks and 1 single accessory and,where only in a emergency, a pair of trousers for work use only.
Products for and maintenance of existing items is exempt.
Effective immediately. Quote me on that and give me absolute hell if I break this ban.
post #10009 of 48666
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Originally Posted by fxh View Post

One of the things you need to understand here in Australia is that if our farmers (honest proper real genuine hardworking dinky di aussies), or miners ((honest proper real genuine hardworking dinky di aussies) or car workers (honest proper real genuine hardworking dinky di aussies) manages to produce something cheaper, at better quality and give better service and thereby undercut nasty un-australian overseas producers (say Canadian miners, USA wheat farmers, everyone wool producers, USA car workers) then that is A GOOD THING. Not only is it a good thing - it is patriotically Australian to sell oz goods cheaper and better to any overseas country.
On the other hand.
If some overseas country (nasty non australians who can't work properly like us) manage to produce some goods cheaper, better and offer better service than us (like clothes, cars, food, TVs, computers) then that is very very nasty underhand competition or dumping and is not only unfair to the true australian hard workers ( farmers etc etc) but it is every australian's duty to not buy things that are better and cheaper from overseas.
In this we are to be lead by our heros:
1= Dick Smith, who made his millions by importing cheaper and better overseas electronics and undercutting all the small australian electronics stores and distributors and also putting the great Australian company AWA out of business. Dick now makes bad tasting knockoff s of Australian food spreads and biscuits and charges us extra for them. Dick is now opposed to anyone else building a business by better and cheaper imports.
2= Gerry Harvey. Good old Gerry now makes very little sense. But when he could put a few words together he was urging us to not buy cheaper and better on the nasty un- Australian Internet. He also deplores cheap and better and more reliable imported goods made by Chinese in particular. Gerry urges us to support local Australian stores like his. Gerry never mentions that he built his fortune on building big sheds of stores with no service, that sold imported TVs, fridges, washing machines, couches etc, and put an end to the thousands of small family owned white goods and furniture and electronics stores in each suburb and country town. Gerry never mentions that there is hardly anything at all Australian made in his stores. He buys it all from overseas. Perhaps even by that nasty Internet?
St Dick and St Gerry are given many many hours of free media space, even on the ABC, and an easy ride by reporters, in order to advertise their businesses and spruik their self serving nonsense.
Its a funny old world isn't it.

One of you most incisive posts. I\ll tell you how dumb Harvey is. He bought into the Steyne Hotel at Manly Beach with Singo and backed out.

I am reliably informed by number 2 son that you can't move in there on a weekend night and it has just started its move to being the number one venue for Gen Ys etc.
post #10010 of 48666
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Originally Posted by budgiesmuggler View Post

If you're looking for a quality cheap suit, TM Lewin have just launched at myer. 30% off their suits for the next few weeks, which is about $250 for a full canvessed suit.

Highly doubt this (fully canvassed) at that price point. Happy to be wrong about it though.
post #10011 of 48666
If the price is the same as the online store which also has 30% off, $250 would be for single jacket only. Price-wise, it seems Australia sells TM Lewins at also about 30% dearer than the Merkins.

And 4 shirts for AU$200?
The Yanks get 5 for US$160.
post #10012 of 48666

Is there any big difference between Herringbone and Rhodes and Beckett? The reason I ask is that there are no Herringbone stores in Adelaide and I am of the type who prefer to try on clothes before I buy them.

 

Furthermore, in relation to markups, I am not sure how true this is, but a friend who used to work at R&B in Sydney told me that the price they import a shirt for is $18 AUD to be sold at around the $160 mark. 

post #10013 of 48666


 

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Originally Posted by Inc Interest View Post

Is there any big difference between Herringbone and Rhodes and Beckett? The reason I ask is that there are no Herringbone stores in Adelaide and I am of the type who prefer to try on clothes before I buy them.

 

Furthermore, in relation to markups, I am not sure how true this is, but a friend who used to work at R&B in Sydney told me that the price they import a shirt for is $18 AUD to be sold at around the $160 mark. 

 

Welcome to SF.


Firstly, IMO, there is an enormous difference between R&B and Herringbone.

In terms of stylistic differences, Rhodes & Beckett is geared towards a slightly younger, less experienced market -- slimmer ties, lapels and cuts. You can see it in the majority of their visual merchandising and marketing, that their target demographic tends to be younger professionals who are a little more trend-conscious than anything. 

You'll see that R&B is very similar to Herringbone in their apparent commitment to 'classic' men's apparel, but they're a lot more 'fashion forward' than Herringbone, usually. They're essentially an 'up-market' brand for individuals who aren't concerned with details or meticulous craftsmanship. 

Although I'm not sure where R&B have their stuff made (some of it Italy, some of it China, some of it somewhere else), I believe it isn't anywhere near the quality of Herringbone -- which produces a lot, if not all of their wares in Germany and Italy. 

That's not to say that R&B sucks -- but I prefer Herringbone. 

Herringbone, in terms of 'house style' are a little more rooted in classic menswear/ tailoring. They're not as 'fashion forward', nor are they as extensively marketed -- and to some degree, they aren't as 'trendy' (although they do latch onto the kind of stuff you see on #menswear blogs etc. from season to season). 

However, since the German take-over, Herringbone has wavered a little bit -- which is sad, but expected. But even so, despite the comparatively wallet-friendly prices of R&B stuff (don't get me wrong; R&B isn't that bad), I'd go with Herringbone, purely because my experience with stuff from there has been ideal, thus far. 
 

 

post #10014 of 48666
with aussie nudging 1.08 after the rate hold (target cash rate 4.25%), why wouldn't you buy overseas and exercise your stronger purchasing power
post #10015 of 48666
Just looked at the site. 100% worsted wool charcoal suit for 175 quid. So yes, it's really (like REALLY) good value for a suit, if it fits you. Wish I had this option when I first started work.

I'm 100% sure its half-canvassed, but I'm saying that as a good thing! TM Lewin is doing budget clothing spot on.

http://www.tmlewin.co.uk/Hoxton-Charcoal-Plain-Weave-Slim-Fit-Suit---36005B/36005B,en_GB,pd.html?start=2&cgid=Mens-Suit-Bundles

This version even has padded lapels - 220 pounds:

http://www.tmlewin.co.uk/Chepstow-Dark-Grey-Sharkskin-2-Button-Men%27s-Suit---28956B/28956B,en_GB,pd.html?start=9&cgid=Mens-Suit-Bundles
post #10016 of 48666
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Originally Posted by Inc Interest View Post

Is there any big difference between Herringbone and Rhodes and Beckett? The reason I ask is that there are no Herringbone stores in Adelaide and I am of the type who prefer to try on clothes before I buy them.

Furthermore, in relation to markups, I am not sure how true this is, but a friend who used to work at R&B in Sydney told me that the price they import a shirt for is $18 AUD to be sold at around the $160 mark. 

Put on a Herringbone jacket, then go and put on a R&B jacket. The step up in quality you get from HBone is apparent (even though their business suits are mostly made in China). The R&B feels flimsy (due to fully fused construction) and the fabric won't excite you much, however much they want to preach their "Italian" fabric of unknown origin.

Herringbone suits have padded lapels, half canvassed construction, and uses worsted wools from reputable Italian mills (Loro Piana/VBC). The soft shoulder construction on their Osaka cut suits are also a plus because they make the jacket feel lighter and I think looks infinitely better on broad shouldered men.

In terms of construction, it appeals to sartorial nerds like myself because they include nice little touches like a barchetta breast pocket (on some models) on the jackets, their trousers are fully curtained and come with quality cotton pockets and a dinner split. Plus the right pocket has a coin sack which fits an iphone perfectly.

Now I'm not saying Herringbone will be the right choice for you and your preferences/needs, but I just want to note that, you're getting much more bang for your buck with Herringbone in terms of construction.

On a side note: I know PJohnson makes regular fitting trips to Adelaide so if its in your price range - its another option to consider.
post #10017 of 48666
I like R&B because they fit me really well. I always had to have my shirts darted, or the sleeves taken up, but no alterations on R&B. As others said construction probably not has good as herringbone.

Their prices are crazy though so wait for a sale.

I think some of the best constructed are TM Lewin, esp with floating collar and cuff. But their fit on me is not great.
post #10018 of 48666
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Originally Posted by " 
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Originally Posted by Inc Interest View Post

Is there any big difference between Herringbone and Rhodes and Beckett? The reason I ask is that there are no Herringbone stores in Adelaide and I am of the type who prefer to try on clothes before I buy them.

Furthermore, in relation to markups, I am not sure how true this is, but a friend who used to work at R&B in Sydney told me that the price they import a shirt for is $18 AUD to be sold at around the $160 mark. 

Put on a Herringbone jacket, then go and put on a R&B jacket. The step up in quality you get from HBone is apparent (even though their business suits are mostly made in China). The R&B feels flimsy (due to fully fused construction) and the fabric won't excite you much, however much they want to preach their "Italian" fabric of unknown origin.

Herringbone suits have padded lapels, half canvassed construction, and uses worsted wools from reputable Italian mills (Loro Piana/VBC). The soft shoulder construction on their Osaka cut suits are also a plus because they make the jacket feel lighter and I think looks infinitely better on broad shouldered men.

In terms of construction, it appeals to sartorial nerds like myself because they include nice little touches like a barchetta breast pocket (on some models) on the jackets, their trousers are fully curtained and come with quality cotton pockets and a dinner split. Plus the right pocket has a coin sack which fits an iphone perfectly.

Now I'm not saying Herringbone will be the right choice for you and your preferences/needs, but I just want to note that, you're getting much more bang for your buck with Herringbone in terms of construction.

On a side note: I know PJohnson makes regular fitting trips to Adelaide so if its in your price range - its another option to consider.

I work for R&B, so feel free to take anything I say with a grain of salt, but there is a lot wrong with this post.

R&B suits are half-canvassed, made in Turkey. They are supposedly made in the same factory as Z Zegna and other brands, but that doesn't mean the quality is on par with Z Zegna.

Fabric is often Loro Piana, and sometimes other mills but always clearly marked on the inside of the jacket. There are two cuts at R&B, a slim, and regular.

I'm not a fan of the suits personally, as they don't fit me all that well, and I believe at full price they are overpriced. The finishing is disappointing for the price point.

Just wanted to clear that up.
post #10019 of 48666
By the way, with all this talk of TM Lewin, I have a Navy Pinstripe SB suit in 44R which I am happy to sell for a song (<$100) if anyone is interested. Should ebay or put on B&S - but just in case there is any interest here. Still in great condition.
post #10020 of 48666
I want to give a shout out to Hwa Seng Textiles (www.hst.com.sg). Just got some smoked MOP buttons (*) in the mail from them and they are awesome. Took about 10 days to arrive and customer service was excellent.

(* To replace the crappy plastic ones on my RL blazer, kind of disappointing lack of attention to detail there RALPH)
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