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post #331 of 540
^^what he said. bespoke doesn't belong in this discussion unless you (1) want an alternative that is clearly not TF or, as mentioned somewhere previously, (2) want something inspired by TF, but would rather have the fit, choice, etc. bepoke has to offer.

I understand the point that if zegna suitmakers can make TF suits, then so can any reknowned bespoke suit maker. I only believe that to the extent you buy a TF suit, bring it in and tell your suitmaker to copy it. But even then, i doubt it would be a perfect replica.
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
Here's my latest tragedy. Fire away, douchebags.


The same tailors making similar styles garments for me will be a tragedy since I don't need the breast enhancements from the drape.

If without your name attached to your post, less respect will be rewarded.

If asking an average guy without any styleforum level knowledge, your cloths should definitely be a tragedy for the prices you paid.
post #333 of 540
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Originally Posted by Holdfast View Post
I honestly don't think any answer given would satisfy you. You are approaching this from a very concrete, legalistic perspective rather than giving due weight to what is essentially a subjective aesthetic judgement, though based on some factual evidence and experience.

As a legal comparison that may appeal to the way you seem to consider these issues, think about the Bolam test used in medical negligence cases (at least in the UK) - if a sufficient minority of professionals qualified in the field would support the practice, even if it's not the majority opinion, then it's not negligence. An analogous position here would be that if a sufficient minority of those familiar with clothing feel Tom Ford has a distinctive, original, intrinsic style then he does. The body of professionals defines it for themselves. I'm not saying the analogy is perfect, so please don't bother to mount a point-by-point rebuttal, I'm merely suggesting you try to shift your perspective or you'll never see the point that others are trying to make.

We could all harp on about the details of the shoulder, the exact angles, measurements and proportions of the style, but the bottom line is that a lot (and certainly a respectable minority) of people familiar with clothes and fashion do feel it represents a distinctive style.

If it is a distinctive style, copying is not impossible of course (if one company can make it, so can another). The question is whether it would be worthwhile, and whether the buyer would be sufficiently satisfied by the new garment.

If they approach it from wanting a Tom Ford suit, it is unlikely to satisfy and the easiest solution would be to buy a MTM Tom Ford suit directly.

If they want a suit that's just inspired by Tom Ford (and interpreted by themselves & their bespoke tailor), then provided both buyer and tailor know what they're doing, then the buyer has a good chance of being happy with the bespoke tailor.
Touché.
post #334 of 540
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im headed to tom ford today to buy a new wardrobe including suits.
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Originally Posted by SoCal2NYC View Post
IT'S MADE BY ZEGNA!

is it made using zegna's best process? fully canvas, no fuse, some shoulder hand work
post #337 of 540
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Originally Posted by jefferyd View Post
Much as I hate to wade into this controversy, I'd like to point out a few things.

First, The TF production is being done at the facility that does the Zegna Couture line, not the main line; most of the work, though I am unaware of just how much, is done by hand, and from little what I have seen, is some of the best around.


good to hear - i think the RTW suits are also done here
post #338 of 540
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Originally Posted by AvariceBespoke View Post
im headed to tom ford today to buy a new wardrobe including suits.

So how did your shopping experience turn out?
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Originally Posted by spertia View Post
So how did your shopping experience turn out?

went yesterday to get a general feel - tried on bunch of suits..
im going in about an hour for appt.

going to get some RTW suits
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ha!
post #341 of 540
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Originally Posted by AvariceBespoke View Post
went yesterday to get a general feel - tried on bunch of suits..
im going in about an hour for appt.

going to get some RTW suits

Please take some fit pics if possible.
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See what you started??
post #343 of 540
Damn, he quoted iammatt's response to my response but did not quote my response

I want my g#ddam# credit!!!!!!
post #344 of 540
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so had a appt this evening @ tf

here are two snapshots i took with my blackberry of two suits on display

http://www.styleforum.net/attachment...9&d=1228792751

http://www.styleforum.net/attachment...8&d=1228792563

i tried the blue 3-piece suit w peak lapel on & another gray suit (not shown), 2 piece with notced lapels.
I purchased the 2 piece gray and am going to order a waistcoat to go w it. I'm picking it up saturday morning and will have photos of it then.

the service, sales, and tailor staff are all very helpful and it was an enjoyable experience.
the gray 2 piece suit was 3450 (i think they charge 100 for afterhours appt - because the bill was 3550 or so.) the 3 piece blue was a little pricey at 5k. I was thinking the peak lapel in gray was a little too flashy but it looks much more elegant in the blue as shown above (both the blue shown and the suit I purchased are the smaller lapels relative to others TF has).

Also, I inquired about who/how makes the shoes - the staff claim they are all made by hand by a cobbler in florence and there is no glue - all hand stitched. Looked at the shoes again, some of the antiqued leather shoes are pretty damn nice. prices are about 1200-2000
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Originally Posted by AvariceBespoke View Post

Also, I inquired about who/how makes the shoes - the staff claim they are all made by hand by a cobbler in florence and there is no glue - all hand stitched. Looked at the shoes again, some of the antiqued leather shoes are pretty damn nice. prices are about 1200-2000

They lied.
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