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i like the cut of this suit

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What 'design' does Tom Ford put into his suits? Wide lapels, roped 'pagoda' shoulders, and severe waist supression aren't exactly voodoo. None of those things will confuse a competent bespoke tailor.

Anyway, Tom Ford is the only person I've seen that looks halfway decent in a Tom Ford suit. Take a look at Daniel Craig in Quantum of Solace. The ridiculously convex shoulder line, stiff shape, and too-high buttoning point make it look he's always dangling from an invisible coat hanger.
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Case in point. Plus, the jacket collar is obviously too loose.
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What 'design' does Tom Ford put into his suits? Wide lapels, roped 'pagoda' shoulders, and severe waist supression aren't exactly voodoo. None of those things will confuse a competent bespoke tailor.

Anyway, Tom Ford is the only person I've seen that looks halfway decent in a Tom Ford suit. Take a look at Daniel Craig in Quantum of Solace. The ridiculously convex shoulder line, stiff shape, and too-high buttoning point make it look he's always dangling from an invisible coat hanger.

i thought the suits looked great.. i guess i am foolish?
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What 'design' does Tom Ford put into his suits? Wide lapels, roped 'pagoda' shoulders, and severe waist supression aren't exactly voodoo. None of those things will confuse a competent bespoke tailor.


I'm not big TF fan but since you're that good with don't you become a designer? Along the way you can do the same thing for music, as some of what I listen to is just playing on a computer and maybe revolutionize painting as Pollock just dripped paint on a canvas.
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While I don't disagree with you, you will neither get a vintage suit nor a suit from one of those other guys to look like a Tom Ford suit. Obviously the OP has his reasons for wanting the look, it's not my style either but I also wouldn't spend any money getting a Logsdale or Shattuck suit as neither of those are my style. Different strokes and all that other stuff.

Ed, if it makes you happy then throw Rubinacci in there as well. I suppose you could throw most of the famed Saville row tailors in too. And yes i understand that the OP is looking for that particular style. Like i said its his money not mine. If hes got that kind of cake to throw around on Tom Ford and it makes him happy then im happy for him.

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Bespoke means you are the designer. MTM means Tom Ford is the designer. Guess who designs better?

Well, to answer your question. If i was going bespoke it would be the tailors particular style not mine. Just my preferences in mind. And looking at some of these pictures im not sure Tom Ford would be the better. Maybe his suits are cut a different way for the Bond movie? If thats the case which i think it is then the OP would not be getting this style. Just a regular line Tom Ford suit with the huge lapels, extremely suppressed waist, Cinder block shoulders, tight as hell pants.


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I'm not big TF fan but since you're that good with don't you become a designer? Along the way you can do the same thing for music, as some of what I listen to is just playing on a computer and maybe revolutionize painting as Pollock just dripped paint on a canvas.

I'd be perfectly happy to hear what makes the features of a Tom Ford suit amount to 'design' in any meaningful sense. So far, all I hear is that people really like the look, which consists of certain details that aren't proprietary or unique to Tom Ford in the first place.

The merit of Pollack's art had to be justifiable, either by himself or by his advocates. If his work just 'looked nice', it wouldn't be 'art' to begin with--at least, not in a way that would give the word any significance.

Anyway, the cases of Ford and Pollack aren't analogous. Ford 'designs'. Pollack did 'art'. One must account for a physical function (i.e. being worn by a human being), one doesn't have any physical function at all.
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i thought the suits looked great.. i guess i am foolish?

I think the suits in the bond movie may be to different proportions than his main line?
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I'd be perfectly happy to hear what makes the features of a Tom Ford suit amount to 'design' in any meaningful sense. So far, all I hear is that people really like the look, which consists of certain details that aren't proprietary or unique to Tom Ford in the first place.

The merit of Pollack's art had to be justifiable, either by himself or by his advocates. If his work just 'looked nice', it wouldn't be 'art' to begin with--at least, not in a way that would give the word any significance.

Anyway, the cases of Ford and Pollack aren't analogous. Ford 'designs'. Pollack did 'art'. One must account for a physical function (i.e. being worn by a human being), one doesn't have any physical function at all.

You clearly are very educated on the subject of menswear - you have read some things I'm looking for - what do you recommend I pursue?
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I'd be perfectly happy to hear what makes the features of a Tom Ford suit amount to 'design' in any meaningful sense. So far, all I hear is that people really like the look, which consists of certain details that aren't proprietary or unique to Tom Ford in the first place.

The merit of Pollack's art had to be justifiable, either by himself or by his advocates. If his work just 'looked nice', it wouldn't be 'art' to begin with--at least, not in a way that would give the word any significance.

Anyway, the cases of Ford and Pollack aren't analogous. Ford 'designs'. Pollack did 'art'. One must account for a physical function (i.e. being worn by a human being), one doesn't have any physical function at all.

Clothing design doesn't use proprietary features to attain an interesting whole so I have no idea what you're talking about. Going to a tailor and having him copy the TF style is an implicit recognition of the power of his design, if anything.

As for your overarching point; while design and art may not be the same they share enough characteristics that I'm confident they can be used in a funny retort together without denaturing the overall jab.
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Haha, love your avatar mafoo.
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What 'design' does Tom Ford put into his suits? Wide lapels, roped 'pagoda' shoulders, and severe waist supression aren't exactly voodoo. None of those things will confuse a competent bespoke tailor.

Don't you use Rubinacci because you like the Rubinacci house style?

How is this any different?
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Anyway, Tom Ford is the only person I've seen that looks halfway decent in a Tom Ford suit. Take a look at Daniel Craig in Quantum of Solace. The ridiculously convex shoulder line, stiff shape, and too-high buttoning point make it look he's always dangling from an invisible coat hanger.

do you not look at your own pictures? You also look incredibly stiff and hang-on-a-car-mirror-like
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Clothing design doesn't use proprietary features to attain an interesting whole so I have no idea what you're talking about. Going to a tailor and having him copy the TF style is an implicit recognition of the power of his design, if anything.

Whether you can achieve an interesting whole that amounts to more than the sum of a garment's features is, to me, an unresolvable query. But to answer your point, I never said one should ask a tailor to copy Tom Ford's styling, only that I have yet to see any evidence that there is such a thing beyond the few features that people have identified individually, and that a competent bespoke tailor should be able to execute those features (after all, Zegna's factory workers can).

Also, whatevever the merits of Tom Ford's work, its evaluation should be contained within the context of ready-to-wear. Even if his lapels are good for a model that must be scaled to fit as many people as possible, why suppose they are optimal for any one person? If someone says, "I want a Tom Ford suit," it's perfectly reasonable to question whether he has considered options that might be better for him individually .

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As for your overarching point; while design and art may not be the same they share enough characteristics that I'm confident they can be used in a funny retort together without denaturing the overall jab.

This depends on how funny you think your retort is .
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What 'design' does Tom Ford put into his suits? Wide lapels, roped 'pagoda' shoulders, and severe waist supression aren't exactly voodoo. None of those things will confuse a competent bespoke tailor. ...
You forgot, iirc, the five buttons on the sleeve.
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