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the US on French beachs would have been as ridiculious as in Cuba's beach.
No Americans landed at the Bay of Pigs.
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the french are so hung up on being a world power that it seems clownish to everybody else.
Being a world power is not only connected with the army and even the less with just one war 50 years ago.. Look at the situation now. What countries are the world power now? In term of economy, culture, influence on the world, language, army, sport, industry??? P.S. don't tell me Isreal.
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(ernest @ Feb. 25 2005,17:49) the US on French beachs would have been as ridiculious as in Cuba's beach.
No Americans landed at the Bay of Pigs.
Why? Were they making in their pants?
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One thing people didn't note was that about 30-40,000 (noone is sure of the exact #s) French were also killed in Vietnam... over a much shorter time period, and exacting a far lower toll on the opponents...
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Originally Posted by Roy,Feb. 25 2005,23:44
Also, at the end of the war Germany had technologically superior arms. They jusn't couldn't mass produce it anymore. If they coudl produce their fighter jets fast enough as well as their new generation of tanks the Normandy Invasion may have took a different turn...
US developped the A bomb thanks to German scientists. If Hitler hasn't been betrayed by some of his officers and made some small mistakes with Russians, the US on French beachs would have been as ridiculious as in Cuba's beach.
The US developed the A-bomb in PART because of German Scientists, J. Robert Oppenheimer was certainly not German, although many of the people who worked on the Manhattan project certainly were.
Oppenheimer is not at all a german name... And what about Einstein?
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(ernest @ Feb. 25 2005,17:49) the US on French beachs would have been as ridiculious as in Cuba's beach.
No Americans landed at the Bay of Pigs.
The Americans didn't invade Cuba, otherwise they would have easily conquered it...
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Why? Were they making in their pants?
Ernest, you really ought to be embarrassed or at least occasionally nonplussed by your agressive ignorance. Because the operation was planned from the beginning as a landing by Cuban exiles.
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Oppenheimer is not at all a german name...
a) Yes it was. b) What are you getting at?
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(ernest @ Feb. 25 2005,14:07) Why do you need to always repeat that without US France would be German (as if France has been existing for 200 yeards like US) as you can beat Germans only because you are 2 times more than them? Don't forget that without French, US wouldn't have existed in 1939. And that G Bush is French.
This is not a proven fact, and there is much evidence that would suggest the US would have won the war w/o the French naval intervention (although Lafayette played an important and undeniable role)
the key battle of the US revolution was Yorktown and there were more French soldiers and sailors there than American ones.
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Albert Einstein was never officially part of the Manhattan project, but he did give the US some information about German research with uranium. He was against using the technology for bombs, as has been clearly documented.
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I never fully appreciated the profound truth of that "Arguing on the Internet is like ..." poster until I let myself get sucked into this thread.
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(ernest @ Feb. 25 2005,17:50) How many US dead in Vietnam?
58,000.  The percentage of black soldiers killed in action was actually lower than the percentage of black soldiers in the Army and Marines as a whole at that time.
Where ca I check what you say? And what was the % of the black in the US population?
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Where ca I check what you say?
As they used to say on US after school specials, "Consult your local library."
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And what was the % of the black in the US population?
12%.
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(globetrotter @ Feb. 25 2005,23:38) the french are so hung up on being a world power that it seems clownish to everybody else.
Being a world power is not only connected with the army and even the less with just one war 50 years ago.. Look at the situation now. What countries are the world power now? In term of economy, culture, influence on the world, language, army, sport, industry??? P.S. don't tell me Isreal.
You are not seriously saying that France is still a worldpower are you? A large part of your economy is funded by subsidies from the European Union... My country is paying a sh*tload to the EU and gets bubkes in return. Quite a lot of the Dutch feel like the laughing stock of Europe because we just keep on paying and paying and getting relatively little out of it. While France and Germany were ignoring the rules of the EU and extracting money out of it. The worst however are countries like Greece, Spain and Italy. But at least they admit to it...
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The US mobilized over 10 MILLION troops for WWI, although only about 3 million were sent over to Europe before the war was over.  That was about 1/3 of the POPULATION of Germany.  They were even stronger for WWII, and while in 1939, Germany was stronger than the US, it didn't take long for the US to mobilize its forces in a way that would have overwhelmed the Germans.  It's true that the US didn't need a strong military between the wars, because we have no enemies within range (or so we thought) but if Germany was our neighbor, we would have kept pace in terms of arms, because they would have been a threat.  Even if they were on our border and invaded, conquering the US is almost imposslble in even the most optimistic scenario... the US is much larger than even European Russia, and our industrial base is widespread.  This whole discussion is just ridiculous, this is like a war fantasy league.
The Russians defeated the Germans in WWII. Germany held nothing back when it attacked Russia on 22 June, 1941. It had nothing to fear from the Brits and the US was not yet in the war.The Germans destroyed 9 Russian armies (about 90 Russian divisions; 1,800,000 men) in 4 battles between June-October, 1941. Then, it began raining and the German tanks bogged down in the mud. Their army nearly got to Moscow, after the mud froze, by late November, 1941, but its had been already nearly freezing to death for 1-2 months. The Russians launched a huge counterattack on 5 December, 1941, TWO DAYS BEFORE Pearl Harbor took place, and the Germans nearly collapsed. It recovered largely by the following summer, but then really lost the war at Stalingrad in the fall-winter of 1942. Germany's final real effort to win was to try to rebuild again for the next summer, 1943, but it all ended for them at Kursk. After that, there was only retreat for the German army and no really large offensive again, as even the Battle of the Bulge was a rather weak effort on its part.
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