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post #16 of 29
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kever, I'm 6'3 without shoes. I just measured my standing reach, and it came out to about 8'. I can touch rim, but I can't grab onto it. My natural inclination is for a two footed jump, but I've never really tried off of one foot. How far above the rim do I reasonably have to go to be able to dunk it? 6"? 10' - 8' + 6" = 2 1/2' or a 30 inch vertical. Is that doable without being a genetic freak? thanks for the responses so far!
30" vertical being a genetic freak? if you had a 45" vertical, maybe, but I think most people in decent shape could get 30" if they trained and were coordinated. to dunk you need to be able to touch (roughly) your wrist on the rim. If you're a two foot jumper, keep doing that. Watch guys on youtube, mimic their motion, make sure you get low, and get a good arm swing. You don't need to palm the ball. People use that as an excuse as to why they can't dunk. I pretty much never palm the ball when I dunk. The momentum of pulling your arm back a bit when you dunk keeps it in your hand, not palming it. my problem jumping off of 2 feet is that I have pretty poor flexibility, and as such I don't get low enough. Try to stretch all of the muscles in your legs, especially the hip flexors. practice grabbing the rim for a few weeks and see if you've improved at all after that time
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Originally Posted by DDSJohnny View Post
i think kever is onto something with the way you jump. i'm 6'0 even and can grab the rim (about 3 inches above), however, i'm a 2 legged jumper. i squat more than a lot of guys that can dunk (although i'm asian and i believe that works against me since i think yao's the only asian guy whose dunked the basketball in the history of man) and they all are 1 legged jumpers. another big thing is being able to palm the ball. again, something that i can't do. if you can't palm the ball, you need at least 6-7 inches above the rim to be able to dunk because you kind of have to control it in the air with your hands and wrist (kinda like a claw move). i'll keep a close eye on this thread and keep trying. thanks kever for the tip on 1 or 2 legged jumping. i'll have to practice w/ 1 leg.
I think you missed my point a bit. Some people jump better off of 1 foot, others off of 2 feet. I haven't really seen anyone who's switched from 1 to 2 feet or 2 feet to 1 foot and achieved any gains from it. Keep jumping how it's comfortable for you, and get better at that. You also don't need to palm the ball, like I said. You need to be able to get the ball high enough so it just gets over the rim. Maybe try practicing how you normally jump, but with a smaller ball. Get used to maybe a tennis ball, then volleyball, then girls bball, then a basketball. Why do people think you need to palm it to dunk? Where does that come from? I can't pick up the ball off the dribble and palm it, so pretty much never palm it to dunk in practices or games. I understand the theory behind it, but in reality it doesn't make much sense to me.
post #17 of 29
When I used to row we had a black guy on our top boat, pound for pound probably the strongest and most explosive guy in a boat. He was about 6'4" 210. Inside a boat he could keep a rhythm no problem, outside a boat for some reason he had none and he could not dunk a basketball, mainly cause he didn't jump properly. In about one afternoon we taught him how to jump, create torque etc etc and while he was no Lebron he could throw down pretty fiercely.

Also, in addition to what most people said I would stress box jumps and add jump roping.
post #18 of 29
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kever, thanks for the input. If I only need to get the wrist to the rim, I don't need to add as much as I thought and this is definitely doable.

Also, for those that asked, I can palm a ball, but it takes some effort. I would never be able to do in a game, but I can do it for a one-off dunk attempt.

I'll work at it, and let everyone know how it goes. I had no idea there were youtube videos of "how to dunk". I find that hilarious.
post #19 of 29
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(although i'm asian and i believe that works against me since i think yao's the only asian guy whose dunked the basketball in the history of man) and they all are 1 legged jumpers.


so wrong. I've seen 5'5" laotian dudes dunk with 2 hands. Explosive jumping ability. It's not because you are asian, it's because you are weak
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post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by Tarmac View Post
so wrong. I've seen 5'5" laotian dudes dunk with 2 hands. Explosive jumping ability. It's not because you are asian, it's because you are weak

apparently, my joke was lost in translation.
post #22 of 29
If you squat 315 and deadlift 285 you're not gonna be dunking anytime soon.

Learn to squat correctly. Increasing your vertical will be aided a lot by explosive hip and knee extensor power. Think about Olympic lifters during a clean and jerk -- right before the catch the bar gains a lot of speed as the resistance is set onto the joints and the muscles can then produce more work.

But yeah, learn to squat correctly. If you're squatting more than you're deadlifting (unless you're doing 500+ or something crazy) you aren't squatting correctly.
post #23 of 29
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If you squat 315 and deadlift 285 you're not gonna be dunking anytime soon.

why, best guestimate- how much do you think I'd need to be able to squat/deadlift for me to have dunking potential?

and yea, this isn't a "soon" project, but I'm willing to invest as much time and energy as needed in order to make this happen.
post #24 of 29
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If you squat 315 and deadlift 285 you're not gonna be dunking anytime soon.


Wow. What? I have a few friends who can dunk like crazy and there is NO way they can correctly squat 315 lbs. Probably not even 275lbs. Where do you get a correlation like that?
If the OP is 6'3", lean, and decently coordinated, I honestly doubt his deadlift and squat need to significantly improve to be able to dunk. Would it help? probably. But I think he would get enough out of doing snatches, some cleans, maybe some plyos, and practicing his jumping regularly to get high enough to dunk.
post #25 of 29
Plyos worked out great for me, although I did them for sprinting speed and not vertical leap. Shaved my 100 m time by quite a bit. Keep up your weight lifting routine (it seems to be working well for you) and add 3 plyo sessions a week. Listen to your body, though. Don't do plyos if you've got a pull in your hammie or something. Plyos are rough on the body. Probably wouldn't hurt to supplement some glucosamine to prevent joint troubles.
post #26 of 29
Interesting thread. I'm in the same boat but I've dunked before but just now after a few years I'm trying to get up there again. For two-foot jumpers, my advice and what the person I train with is don't rock your feet before you jump. Another thing, practicing dunking with smaller balls to get your technique right. Try dunking something 10 times a day or so.
post #27 of 29
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Wow. What? I have a few friends who can dunk like crazy and there is NO way they can correctly squat 315 lbs. Probably not even 275lbs. Where do you get a correlation like that?
I'm talking about the squat/deadlift ratio, not the weight. When the total weight of a personal best squat exceeds the deadlift, chances are very high that the squat is shallow and the lack of a full range of motion limits overall vertical jumping ability. Think about it this way: most Olympics lifters have a vertical that exceeds NBA players.
post #28 of 29
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Think about it this way: most Olympics lifters have a vertical that exceeds NBA players.



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post #29 of 29
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I'm talking about the squat/deadlift ratio, not the weight. When the total weight of a personal best squat exceeds the deadlift, chances are very high that the squat is shallow and the lack of a full range of motion limits overall vertical jumping ability.

Think about it this way: most Olympics lifters have a vertical that exceeds NBA players.

why, I met with my trainer last night, and you were right about my form. I tend to tilt my back forward and not go fully parallel. I'm using a flat bench to help correct this.

Based on my bench numbers, my trainer says that I can get back up in the deadlift and squat sooner rather than later. I had been avoiding legs and back b/c of marathon training, but when it's done I'll hit the squats hard.
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