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post #74926 of 87921
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Originally Posted by ironclad View Post


Color 8 or Ravello?

Because I'm pretty damn sure I'd be willing to pay a bundle to turn one of MrDV's Ravello wingtip boots into a sweet wallet...

ha I didnt think of that

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post #74927 of 87921
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Originally Posted by coinopcollector View Post

Some random thoughts on Alden Shell, quality and OCD.  


First, it seems that many of us here love Shell Cordovan and are also mildly to severely OCD.  
Second, Shell Cordovan is used to make shoes by a relatively very small percentage of the world's shoemakers.
Third, the second point is true because shell is rare  in all colors (relatively speaking) and  allegedly much harder to work with than calf or other leathers.
Fourth, Shell Cordovan shoes are expensive and a lot of us go crazy if the shoes are not perfect.  Real blemeshes are not acceptable, but sometimes we obsess over really insignificant glitches. 
Fifth, if you have purchased shell shoes from other manufacturers you will know that their shoes are not perfect either (I own Hanover, C&J, Alden and AE shell so I speak from experience).

With these thoughts I would like to point out something that I was told that has greatly helped me with my OCD over the past few years.   When I complained to a craftsman about a job he was doing, and in hindsight he was doing it very well,  he told me:  "if you expect perfection you will always be unhappy, it does not exist.  Expect excellence and I will strive to give it to you."

Aldens, AE's, C&J's, Carminas etc. will not be perfect, they are going to have glitches which we can call character.  They are hand made.  Stitching and finishes are applied by hand and not by a computer controlled machine dolling out exactly the same amount of finish in exactly the same spot on every single pair of size 10D Color 8 LWB's that pass down the line.  

If I received a pair of shoes like the messed up CXL LWB's that popped up a few days ago they would go back, but seriously, many of the recent complaints fall into the not perfect but still pretty damned excellent category. 

Just my 2 cents.

I agree completely and if the prices weren't so high I don't think people would be as picky. Also I would like to add it really comes down to caring about the job and product you put out. It would appear in some cases Alden is lacking in that and there is a trickle down effect with retailers. While the finishes may appear different from pair to pair, they should not from shoe to shoe. Two seconds with any sort of light and you can see. Stitching mess ups and welt being wrong or crooked can all be caught before they leave the factory. I agree that nothing in life may be perfect, it damn well better be close, unless I am getting it for free.
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Originally Posted by ErikW View Post
 

Any thoughts on the color imperfections in the tongue of this boot? The rest of the shoe seems pretty close to perfect for Alden standards.

 

 

 

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IMO, wear and enjoy them. It is definitely not something I would have an issue with.

post #74929 of 87921
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Originally Posted by Shawnc View Post

I had exactly the same issue on my jcrew longwings (crepe). Spent hours staring at them and trying to figure out whether to keep or return. I ultimately decided to keep them and the first few times I cleaned them, I added Alden Color paste wax only to the lighter area on the tongue. I let the wax sit for 15-20 minutes and brush. I can no longer see a difference. And mine was more pronounced than yours.

The laces cover the tongue, I would not worry at all about that. Besides once you send them in for refinishing all will be good.
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Originally Posted by anrobit View Post

http://www.ashlandleather.com/product-p/jtfshelllimited.htm 

Knock yourself out. 

It was a joke. Just suggesting that a piece of shell with known provenience, DV's pedigree, and broguing would make a wallet worth ten times a Ravello Ashland.
post #74931 of 87921
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

The one hard metric, eBay resale value, seems to indicate new cordovan Alden shoes and boots are probably worth their retail price

I believe the metric for shoes is a binary "do they make me feel pretty".

Dudes just need to accept that we buy these things because we like nice stuff.
So many try to perform some economic analysis to come up with some BS justification to buy nice shoes.

I've gotten to the point when reading this thread that the barrie/grant sizing questions and "is this a defect?" question are just so much noise I just scroll past.
And the regular price increases with the "hell no I won't pay that much for Aldens" posts are just like the passing of the seasons.
post #74932 of 87921
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Originally Posted by zippyh View Post

I believe the metric for shoes is a binary "do they make me feel pretty".

Dudes just need to accept that we buy these things because we like nice stuff.

Pretty much this.
post #74933 of 87921
This discussion about Alden quality never ends. Same points every single time.

Clearing up space on my computer and found these. Some posted before but redited them now. Back during happier times when I only had these shoes plus 2 Indy boots (403, 404). Way too many shoes now. Also passed up on a Cigar Brixton and Ravello Shortwing during this time too. Those are two out of five that I probably regret passing the most on, along with day dripper, Ravello plaza Indy and color 4 captoe preorder.







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Originally Posted by ReppTiePrepster View Post
 


+1, you're a good man Doc...

Thanks for the kind words, rtp! Hope all is well with you and the family

post #74935 of 87921
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Originally Posted by stevent View Post

This discussion about Alden quality never ends. Same points every single time.

Clearing up space on my computer and found these. Some posted before but redited them now. Back during happier times when I only had these shoes plus 2 Indy boots (403, 404). Way too many shoes now. Also passed up on a Cigar Brixton and Ravello Shortwing during this time too. Those are two out of five that I probably regret passing the most on, along with day dripper, Ravello plaza Indy and color 4 captoe preorder.







Wonderful photos. You could have stopped at this point and would already have had a versatile, highly functional collection.

post #74936 of 87921
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Originally Posted by coinopcollector View Post

Some random thoughts on Alden Shell, quality and OCD.  


Aldens, AE's, C&J's, Carminas etc. will not be perfect, they are going to have glitches which we can call character.  They are hand made.  Stitching and finishes are applied by hand and not by a computer controlled machine dolling out exactly the same amount of finish in exactly the same spot on every single pair of size 10D Color 8 LWB's that pass down the line.  

No one should dispute there are variations in quality in the manufacturing process. There will always be some variations in quality. But what should be allowed to be sold to the customer as first quality mechandise? That's QC. I just hope the factory does not lower QC for the sake of improving yield.
post #74937 of 87921
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Originally Posted by hoit1981 View Post

If anyone is interested in the LS version of the dark brown CXL Tanker please get in touch with Will at LS ASAP. The weirder your size/width the better. The only way I will get my size 12.5D's made anytime soon is by getting LS to include 6 sizes they wouldn't normally order to an existing order. This includes sizes of 11D and up, and I am assuming weird widths. Not LS's fault, it is of course one of Alden's weird stipulations.

I sent Will an email yesterday and just heard back from him.  He said that it was too late for the current order, but put me down for a 12.5D for the next run of these -- whenever that is.  

post #74938 of 87921
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Originally Posted by mtc2000 View Post

No one should dispute there are variations in quality in the manufacturing process. There will always be some variations in quality. But what should be allowed to be sold to the customer as first quality mechandise? That's QC. I just hope the factory does not lower QC for the sake of improving yield.

IMO yield is what matters to Alden. Why not? There is no reason for them to change their business model. It has been proven that even with price hikes and QC issues, someone somewhere will buy their products. As shell increases in cost there is more motivation than ever to pass along seconds quality or worse shoes. Add with it the pressure to fill the orders of their retailers.
post #74939 of 87921
I accept this fact every time I place an order and just hope for the best. I really try to rant if I get a substandard pair bc in the end I know the risks and accept them. Is it frustrating? Sure but I hold my wallet and I am responsible for opening up. Is it right to accept poor QC, it shouldn't be but I do it for a glimpse of that beautiful shell dancing in sunlight.
post #74940 of 87921
Wearing olive herringbone Epaulet pants tomorrow... Should I wear color 8 plaza captoe boots, whiskey PTB or tan calf wingtip boots? I'll be wearing a camel sweater...
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