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Much like Alden does, regardless of the last. You can't begin to believe that $800 Aldens are worth the money by any objective metric. Of course from an emotional/sentimental aspect, people will pay up front to wait years for a likely "with character" product, so yes - if you must have glazed Alden shell in a chunky last, go right on ahead.

My last remaining pair of Aldens: Aberdeen lasted black shell cap-toe bluchers. They cost me less than half of $800. They are worth what I paid.

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post #74912 of 79478
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Originally Posted by ReppTiePrepster View Post
 

First, Color 8 is regal my friend and second, the plaza work boot is a must-have if they are available in your size... This may sound crazy, but a $100 difference at this stage is not that horrible if you know exactly what you want.  If you don't really want it, send them back.

I'm in total agreement about the extra $100. For a boot that theoretically should last 30+ years, it's not the end of the world if you're buying a particular style that you really want (and yes, I am infatuated with the plaza indy). The tongue doesn't bother me much, but still not sure about the dents...Percolating on this one a bit more.

post #74913 of 79478
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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

Much like Alden does, regardless of the last. You can't begin to believe that $800 Aldens are worth the money by any objective metric. Of course from an emotional/sentimental aspect, people will pay up front to wait years for a likely "with character" product, so yes - if you must have glazed Alden shell in a chunky last, go right on ahead.

My last remaining pair of Aldens: Aberdeen lasted black shell cap-toe bluchers. They cost me less than half of $800. They are worth what I paid.

I think it's tough to have any sort of objective sense of worth. You can try to go by averages, but ultimately, the question of worth is personal.

 

When you ask someone, "What's this worth?" you are asking the question, "What's this worth to you?" Although I may consider some of Alden's prices outrageous (see anything non-shell), others may not, and there is nothing wrong with that. For certain types of shoes, Alden provides the best American-made product.

 

Similarly, others may prefer Alden's chunky lasts to something sleeker or European. That is personal preference. Not every shoe has to have a sleek shape.

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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

Much like Alden does, regardless of the last. You can't begin to believe that $800 Aldens are worth the money by any objective metric. Of course from an emotional/sentimental aspect, people will pay up front to wait years for a likely "with character" product, so yes - if you must have glazed Alden shell in a chunky last, go right on ahead.

My last remaining pair of Aldens: Aberdeen lasted black shell cap-toe bluchers. They cost me less than half of $800. They are worth what I paid.

If you can show me DCFs or other valuation methodologies that come up with objective values for shoes, please go ahead

I've gotten full value out of my most expensive Alden shoes (probably my two tanker boots) so far this year. My Edward Greens? Not so much, even though they are beautiful...
post #74915 of 79478
There are some less subjective metrics though: construction / materials / QC / turn around time / CS / etc.

Of course the higher you climb, there are diminishing returns.
post #74916 of 79478
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Got the jcrew 975 for sale if anyone is interested... New got them today .. They just don't do anything for me..
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PM me the damage on these, or link me to a classified post. I looked but didn't see one.
post #74917 of 79478
The one hard metric, eBay resale value, seems to indicate new cordovan Alden shoes and boots are probably worth their retail price
post #74918 of 79478
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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

Much like Alden does, regardless of the last. You can't begin to believe that $800 Aldens are worth the money by any objective metric. Of course from an emotional/sentimental aspect, people will pay up front to wait years for a likely "with character" product, so yes - if you must have glazed Alden shell in a chunky last, go right on ahead.

My last remaining pair of Aldens: Aberdeen lasted black shell cap-toe bluchers. They cost me less than half of $800. They are worth what I paid.
 

For certain types of shoes, Alden provides the best American-made product.

 

This.

 

Personally, it's important to me to buy American, and for dress and nice casual shoes that pretty much means either Alden or AE.  And, I don't mind paying more for American-made goods if it helps the people who make them to be able to live better lives (buying houses, sending their children to college, etc.).

post #74919 of 79478
The importance of buying American is a largely sentimental/emotional notion isn't it? If products are of equal quality, I'll support American, but I won't compromise on quality just to support American.

If e-bay resale value is what you're going by, Nike Jordans might be some of the best "value" shoes. Are we saying that the construction and materials etc. are worth hundreds (sometimes thousands) of dollars? This particular market is driven largely by the emotional attachment to the brand IMO. There's nothing wrong with that: people should just be more honest with themselves about it.
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The importance of buying American is a largely sentimental/emotional notion isn't it? 

Well, I suppose Alden might be worth more (read: be valued higher) to those who value American-made products. Personally, I don't care as much, but again, others do.

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The one hard metric, eBay resale value, seems to indicate new cordovan Alden shoes and boots are probably worth their retail price

 

 

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If you can show me DCFs or other valuation methodologies that come up with objective values for shoes, please go ahead

I've gotten full value out of my most expensive Alden shoes (probably my two tanker boots) so far this year. My Edward Greens? Not so much, even though they are beautiful...

 

I run the analysis............whats the scrap value for shell on the open market?

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I run the analysis............whats the scrap value for shell on the open market?

Color 8 or Ravello?

Because I'm pretty damn sure I'd be willing to pay a bundle to turn one of MrDV's Ravello wingtip boots into a sweet wallet...
post #74923 of 79478
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Color 8 or Ravello?

Because I'm pretty damn sure I'd be willing to pay a bundle to turn one of MrDV's Ravello wingtip boots into a sweet wallet...

http://www.ashlandleather.com/product-p/jtfshelllimited.htm 

 

Knock yourself out. 

post #74924 of 79478

Some random thoughts on Alden Shell, quality and OCD.  


First, it seems that many of us here love Shell Cordovan and are also mildly to severely OCD.  

Second, Shell Cordovan is used to make shoes by a relatively very small percentage of the world's shoemakers.

Third, the second point is true because shell is rare  in all colors (relatively speaking) and  allegedly much harder to work with than calf or other leathers.

Fourth, Shell Cordovan shoes are expensive and a lot of us go crazy if the shoes are not perfect.  Real blemeshes are not acceptable, but sometimes we obsess over really insignificant glitches. 

Fifth, if you have purchased shell shoes from other manufacturers you will know that their shoes are not perfect either (I own Hanover, C&J, Alden and AE shell so I speak from experience).

 

With these thoughts I would like to point out something that I was told that has greatly helped me with my OCD over the past few years.   When I complained to a craftsman about a job he was doing, and in hindsight he was doing it very well,  he told me:  "if you expect perfection you will always be unhappy, it does not exist.  Expect excellence and I will strive to give it to you."

 

Aldens, AE's, C&J's, Carminas etc. will not be perfect, they are going to have glitches which we can call character.  They are hand made.  Stitching and finishes are applied by hand and not by a computer controlled machine dolling out exactly the same amount of finish in exactly the same spot on every single pair of size 10D Color 8 LWB's that pass down the line.  

 

If I received a pair of shoes like the messed up CXL LWB's that popped up a few days ago they would go back, but seriously, many of the recent complaints fall into the not perfect but still pretty damned excellent category. 

 

Just my 2 cents.

post #74925 of 79478
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Any thoughts on the color imperfections in the tongue of this boot? The rest of the shoe seems pretty close to perfect for Alden standards.




I had exactly the same issue on my jcrew longwings (crepe). Spent hours staring at them and trying to figure out whether to keep or return. I ultimately decided to keep them and the first few times I cleaned them, I added Alden Color 8 paste wax only to the lighter area on the tongue. I let the wax sit for 15-20 minutes and brushed. I can no longer see a difference. And mine was more pronounced than yours.
Edited by Shawnc - 2/27/14 at 5:09pm
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