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post #71371 of 95003
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post


It's best to be an informed buyer. I have had similar issue with whiskey shoes. My response? To buy less of them and to focus on color 8, black, and cigar, shoes that I wear more anyway. Also looking at more tan calf. Discussions like these help buyers address issues and make purchasing decisions.

The appeal of Alden shoes is unchanged - great dress or dress casual shoes and boots, unique leathers (deep cordovan shades, quality suede, durable and good looking CXL, etc) versatility and durability. I don't know why the appeal would have changed any really over the past few years (outside of less availability). Quality control has been an issue since I have been buying the shoes and the issues are well known, but you take the bad with the good.

I would not buy anything other than Alden's shell. Their shell finishing is magnificent and top-of-the-line. Nobody can deny that. However, the price of their calf/suede/etc offerings are far too high to warrant retail. For that, I'd rather look at some of the European shoemakers, who do a better job in the same price range, and with better lasts, without all the crap you have to put up with from Alden.

post #71372 of 95003
Despite the issues at Alden exotics often sell above retail on the bay. I love the CJ marlow as well as egs shell. Alden boots have a unique look and a devoted consumer base, their business model is working for them. No need for them to change.
post #71373 of 95003
I actually think that the stripped shell looks quite nice, and has a lot of character. I have some shell that has come in the same deglazed state (Rancourt shell is very unglazed, for example). It's different, for sure, but it really is a lovely if you can get past the fact that it is definitely a different feel from normal shell cordovan. Among other things, in the deglazed state, it becomes an absolute patina machine, and takes a nice shine with a water brushing.\

If you're counting on the shine of the glazed finish, well, that's not really the true shine of shell that is so famous.
post #71374 of 95003
Yeah, the selling above retail on the bay (even used) is laughable. I commend Alden for making money hand over fist and holding their consumer base hostage.
post #71375 of 95003
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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

Yeah, the selling above retail on the bay (even used) is laughable. I commend Alden for making money hand over fist and holding their consumer base hostage.

Seeing the prices some things are going on Ebay is making me consider just how much I love my shells. All that cash back after using a shoe seems like a good deal.
post #71376 of 95003
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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

So we're basically saying it's OK to potentially pay $800ish, wait for a few years and receive a product like that. Then ship it back to Alden on your own dime to have it refinished poorly (again, also on your own dime) or live with the results?

 

 

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Originally Posted by tifosi View Post


I think it's kinda hard to say without seeing what made the OP begin to think something was wrong and try to correct it.

 

 

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Originally Posted by bespoken pa View Post


Not okay by any stretch, however it is what it is, those of us who continue to purchase condone Aldens practices through the opening of our wallets. I have accepted the situation for what it is, as frustrating as it is.

If you want to see my whiskeys before brushing check out my post 52571

You can see the dark area in the creases starting to develop but I had not touched them at that time.  Overall I've been very pleased with my Aldens.  out of 24 plus pairs of shell, this is the only pair with issues and in the grand scheme of things the issues on these will not be as big as patina continues to develop.

 

See Ya,

Steve

post #71377 of 95003

Do these Aldens look like good quality?

They appear to be from a short-lived sub-line of Alden called Sabel.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alden-18-Eye-Cap-Toe-Dress-Boots-Shoes-New-NOS-Sabel-Line-Mens-5-/141170211800?pt=US_Men_s_Shoes&hash=item20de667bd8

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alden-Brown-18-Eye-Cap-Toe-Dress-Boots-Shoes-New-NOS-Sabel-Line-Mens-5-AA-/131097872577?pt=US_Men_s_Shoes&hash=item1e860ac8c1

 

I have small and narrow feet so it is a challenge to find Aldens in my size. Just saw this on eBay but not sure if they are good quality?

post #71378 of 95003
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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

I'll take C&J, Carmina, A&S, etc. anytime instead, especially since I detest moc toes and NST (although other brands make these too). Price point changes, increased availability of other brands, poor QC, ridiculous wait times etc. are all reasons that make Alden less appealing.

People are obviously free to do what they like with their money, but they should also be honest with themselves. There's nothing wrong with admitting that the attachment to Alden is largely "emotional". It's also a disservice to tell new buyers that flaws are "normal" (in general, not necessarily only referring to this particular whiskey conversation).

1) I own C&J shell and will buy more, but check out the Marlow/Darlton thread to see recent quality control issues regarding the shell
2) Carmina styling is different than Alden and their shell is much drier. Simply a different look/product. Also hard to get shoes in different widths.
3) Assume you are talking about Alfred Sargent - they make good stuff, but their cordovan seems limited

-Price point changes: C&J shell prices have increased at a good clip in recent years
-More brands are available, but many offer different stylings and aren't that comparable
-Poor QC - fine
-Wait times - fine, though I can find color 8, black and suede very easily

About the "emotion" - we all are spending more money on clothing/shoes than we should. Emotion will be part of it. That said, very few other manufacturers offer a wide variety of cordovan shoes available in my size (9.5/10 wide). In fact, basically none of them do outside of Allen Edmonds. Alden fits my needs and styling very well. They may not for you or for any other purchaser. Shoes don't have universal appeal or value.
post #71379 of 95003
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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

I'll take C&J, Carmina, A&S, etc. anytime instead, especially since I detest moc toes and NST (although other brands make these too). Price point changes, increased availability of other brands, poor QC, ridiculous wait times etc. are all reasons that make Alden less appealing.

People are obviously free to do what they like with their money, but they should also be honest with themselves. There's nothing wrong with admitting that the attachment to Alden is largely "emotional". It's also a disservice to tell new buyers that flaws are "normal" (in general, not necessarily only referring to this particular whiskey conversation).

I like C&J shell and have numerous models of it. I have had numerous problems, however, with C&J's QC (ex., shell is dry, flaky). And the retailer has always taken back the models as defective.

Carmina shell -which I also have purchased a few models of - is dry. Too dry for my liking. I probably won't buy again. I have also had issues with Carmina QC - a pair of loafers (one shoe fit great; the other shoe was unbelievably sloppy and was probably the equivalent of two sizes wider than the other). Again, these were returned without incident.

I don't dispute Alden QC can be sub-par (or even worse), and I have noted the name on this thread before. If a guy is in the shoe game long enough, however, he will experience QC issues with just about any/every company. After all, these are humans making the shoes.

On the whole, no company does shell like Alden, IMO. If you disagree, I have no problem with that.
post #71380 of 95003
Like I have said before, when Alden gets it right the get it right. Admittedly their QC leaves much to be desired but man my cigar indys make me smile.
post #71381 of 95003
Regarding CXL boots (and other boots of similar leathers), I think Viberg is doing CXL boots much better than Alden is right now. That said, availability is even more limited than Alden, and the price is at least 40% higher. I can't compare other brands like Oak Street. Wolverine makes a nice CXL boot too.

Most threadgoers generally agree that you can find better calfskin shoes than Alden at the same price point. That said, I like Alden's brown and tan calfskin.

I really like Alden suede, and it can be had at a good price. I haven't seen anything that is much better in the same price range, and even then, Alden has a variety of styles and retailers available.
post #71382 of 95003
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Originally Posted by El Argentino View Post


Seeing the prices some things are going on Ebay is making me consider just how much I love my shells. All that cash back after using a shoe seems like a good deal.

I have unloaded a few pairs of Alden and C&J shell cordovan shoes for this exact reason.  The lust for certain "limited edition" makeups and "rare" shell colors is bizarre to me.  I like shell cordovan shoes, and I really enjoy wearing them.  But the idea that shell cordovan shoes, and Alden shoes in particular, are simply the very best shoes out there is puzzling. 

post #71383 of 95003
I guess I just have a lower tolerance for rolling the dice (or less lust for shell).
post #71384 of 95003
I don't know how anyone can say Alden does a magnificent job of finishing their shell. Sure, there's a nice tone and depth of color to it, but how many posts are there bitching about "look at my splotchy dye job," "I'm sending these back for refinishing," or "the finish is peeling off." I personally think Allen Edmonds are absolute crap for the price they charge (sorry AE fanboys). However, their "unfinished" #8 shell, as well as other higher end manufacturers, is a beautiful color...and no runs, puddles, or other Alden applied unevenness.

I applaud mtc2000 for getting creative with his tankers. A little polish, and they'll look fantastic. Some people treat their shoes like they're made out of virgin unicorn pelts. You can actually beat the heck out of shell, CXL, and even calf for that matter, and they'll clean up great. That said, props to NAMOR for not being afraid to wear his ravello NSTs to oysterpalooza 2014..
post #71385 of 95003

Comments today have been pretty interesting -- definitely an explosion of activity after a pretty long lull (IMO).  I happen to agree with the person who commented that the stripped tankers actually looked pretty good.  That said, I would never buy a product to go out of my way to significantly alter it (not on my own, at least).  For starters, I lack the skills necessary, but for the money you are spending, I'd think you'd just go get something closer to what you want.  I also agree that Alden's shell is - to me - the attraction to the brand, with the calf, CXL and suede models being nice, but costing too much in my view (every time I've come close to popping $550 on one of these, I've always realized that for $650 - $700, there is something in shell I want much more - and the difference at that point makes me want to just spend the extra on the shell).

 

But obviously we all have our own preferences.  I like my C&J and my Carminas.  Yes, the shell is drier, but I haven't found it too difficult to add some moisture.  As much as I like my Alden shell and the glazed finish, I don't need every pair of shell I buy to have that glazing.  I think there is something to be said for a more "natural" look and the thought of this stuff eventually wearing away and leaving discoloration is not all that appealing to me, but I guess that's the way it goes.  Anyway, I realize I'm not adding much here but wanted to chime in.  Good stuff all around -- I can see why some love their Aldens (as I do) and why others are frustrated and find them to be overrated.

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