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Originally Posted by Dbear View Post

If they happen to cut the shell on the part with the stamp...then there is a stamp...

Exactly. It's purely luck and depends on how they cut it. I will add that I am pretty sure every pair of Shell you get has the stamp somewhere on the shoes, it just may not be visible or might be covered up by lining... ;-)

If you get something from Ashland leather, then you will almost certainly get a stamp. From their blog and about us, they work at Horween and moonlight at Ashland. I think they have their own Horween stamp. Wonder if Alden could do that to, but I am pretty sure they don't care.

I have gotten it on my BB Unlined LHS and then on the tongue of a boot.

-Mike

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post #71357 of 87741
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Originally Posted by Subutai View Post

These look great Tifosi! I haven't broken mine in yet; I also have to work up the stones to wear them out. ..

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Originally Posted by mdubs View Post

I understand exactly where you are coming from. I hate taking my new babies out. But they are shoes, so you gotta let them walk... :-) Once they are out a time or two, I get over it and try and enjoy them...
Are you guys kidding???? I almost didn't break these in I was so excited to wear them! haha
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Fellow SF members-I've got a problem I need advice on.  I've got a pair Alden Whiskey shell Short Wings with a dark area developing in the crease of each shoe, the left shoe is worse than the right.  I've never used any polish on these shoes, I have Saphir Renovateur after the dark area started developing.  I bought these shoes new, and from the beginning they first developed a light hazy area in the crease that appeared normal and I simply tried to polish out with horsehair brush.  But as I brushed the creased area started to have a little gummy like material peel away.  I kept brushing and the material continued to peel away kinda like glue or touch up finish.  Its hard to explain.  Anyway it started getting darker and I stopped.

 

My question is this something you think was in the finish from the factory?  This area stated looking different as soon as the creases started developing, darker and kinda dirty and hazy.  In retrospect i think these areas were touched up at the factory and I simply brushed away the touch up.  It bothers me to look down and see the dark areas so I want to do something to fix it.  Should I risk sending back to Alden?  Any suggestions on how to get the dark area to lighten up?  The more I brush the darker area seems to spread.

 

Thanks!

 

See Ya,

Steve

 

 

 

post #71359 of 87741
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Originally Posted by mdubs View Post

If you get something from Ashland leather, then you will almost certainly get a stamp.

I have gotten it on my BB Unlined LHS and then on the tongue of a boot.

-Mike

 

Yes for Ashland leather:

 

 

I love being able to carry a little shell with me wherever I go . . .

 

Also, my AE walnut Dalton boots (unlined) have partial stamps inside both left and right.

post #71360 of 87741
After sifting through page after page of Indy boot images on Google, I found these beauties from Brown's in the UK.


Does anyone know of a vendor in the US that has a similar make-up?

Also, it made me wonder what other great European shops are there out there that have Alden accounts, have webshops, and do special make-ups. Everyone knows Frans Boone, but what others are there out there?
post #71361 of 87741
The Bureau Belfast , Kafka, Nitty gritty in Sweden, Endclothing in the UK try these all very reliable.
Also Trunkclothiers in London
Edited by prez - 1/20/14 at 11:48am
post #71362 of 87741
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Originally Posted by totalair1 View Post

Fellow SF members-I've got a problem I need advice on.  I've got a pair Alden Whiskey shell Short Wings with a dark area developing in the crease of each shoe, the left shoe is worse than the right.  I've never used any polish on these shoes, I have Saphir Renovateur after the dark area started developing.  I bought these shoes new, and from the beginning they first developed a light hazy area in the crease that appeared normal and I simply tried to polish out with horsehair brush.  But as I brushed the creased area started to have a little gummy like material peel away.  I kept brushing and the material continued to peel away kinda like glue or touch up finish.  Its hard to explain.  Anyway it started getting darker and I stopped.

My question is this something you think was in the finish from the factory?  This area stated looking different as soon as the creases started developing, darker and kinda dirty and hazy.  In retrospect i think these areas were touched up at the factory and I simply brushed away the touch up.  It bothers me to look down and see the dark areas so I want to do something to fix it.  Should I risk sending back to Alden?  Any suggestions on how to get the dark area to lighten up?  The more I brush the darker area seems to spread.

Thanks!

See Ya,
Steve


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I imagine it would be difficult to lighten whiskey "naturally" or without covering it up.
post #71363 of 87741
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Originally Posted by tifosi View Post

I imagine it would be difficult to lighten whiskey "naturally" or without covering it up.

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Originally Posted by totalair1 View Post

Fellow SF members-I've got a problem I need advice on.  I've got a pair Alden Whiskey shell Short Wings with a dark area developing in the crease of each shoe, the left shoe is worse than the right.  I've never used any polish on these shoes, I have Saphir Renovateur after the dark area started developing.  I bought these shoes new, and from the beginning they first developed a light hazy area in the crease that appeared normal and I simply tried to polish out with horsehair brush.  But as I brushed the creased area started to have a little gummy like material peel away.  I kept brushing and the material continued to peel away kinda like glue or touch up finish.  Its hard to explain.  Anyway it started getting darker and I stopped.

My question is this something you think was in the finish from the factory?  This area stated looking different as soon as the creases started developing, darker and kinda dirty and hazy.  In retrospect i think these areas were touched up at the factory and I simply brushed away the touch up.  It bothers me to look down and see the dark areas so I want to do something to fix it.  Should I risk sending back to Alden?  Any suggestions on how to get the dark area to lighten up?  The more I brush the darker area seems to spread.

Thanks!

See Ya,
Steve





If you send them back to Alden they wont fix the spot, they will simply dye the rest of the shoe to match the spot...or darker even.


ill advised confused.gif


From what i've seen before with lighter shell, situations like this only get worse the more you try to "fix" the issue.
post #71364 of 87741
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Originally Posted by blue collar View Post


If you send them back to Alden they wont fix the spot, they will simply dye the rest of the shoe to match the spot...or darker even.


ill advised confused.gif


From what i've seen before with lighter shell, situations like this only get worse the more you try to "fix" the issue.
+1
I'd be tempted to keep them as is and chalk it up to patina. I dunno.
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Originally Posted by totalair1 View Post

Fellow SF members-I've got a problem I need advice on.  I've got a pair Alden Whiskey shell Short Wings with a dark area developing in the crease of each shoe, the left shoe is worse than the right.  I've never used any polish on these shoes, I have Saphir Renovateur after the dark area started developing.  I bought these shoes new, and from the beginning they first developed a light hazy area in the crease that appeared normal and I simply tried to polish out with horsehair brush.  But as I brushed the creased area started to have a little gummy like material peel away.  I kept brushing and the material continued to peel away kinda like glue or touch up finish.  Its hard to explain.  Anyway it started getting darker and I stopped.

My question is this something you think was in the finish from the factory?  This area stated looking different as soon as the creases started developing, darker and kinda dirty and hazy.  In retrospect i think these areas were touched up at the factory and I simply brushed away the touch up.  It bothers me to look down and see the dark areas so I want to do something to fix it.  Should I risk sending back to Alden?  Any suggestions on how to get the dark area to lighten up?  The more I brush the darker area seems to spread.

Thanks!

See Ya,
Steve





Steve, I unfortunately do not have much advice to give you here. I would probably minimize the product used. It would be a shame if it was a cover up sham from the factory. Maybe a little tan paste wax??

I personally would avoid sending back to Alden, as recent experience shoes that they will come back nearly black... :-)

-Mike
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Originally Posted by totalair1 View Post
 

Fellow SF members-I've got a problem I need advice on.  I've got a pair Alden Whiskey shell Short Wings with a dark area developing in the crease of each shoe, the left shoe is worse than the right.  I've never used any polish on these shoes, I have Saphir Renovateur after the dark area started developing.  I bought these shoes new, and from the beginning they first developed a light hazy area in the crease that appeared normal and I simply tried to polish out with horsehair brush.  But as I brushed the creased area started to have a little gummy like material peel away.  I kept brushing and the material continued to peel away kinda like glue or touch up finish.  Its hard to explain.  Anyway it started getting darker and I stopped.

 

My question is this something you think was in the finish from the factory?  This area stated looking different as soon as the creases started developing, darker and kinda dirty and hazy.  In retrospect i think these areas were touched up at the factory and I simply brushed away the touch up.  It bothers me to look down and see the dark areas so I want to do something to fix it.  Should I risk sending back to Alden?  Any suggestions on how to get the dark area to lighten up?  The more I brush the darker area seems to spread.

 

Thanks!

 

See Ya,

Steve

 

 

 


weird...when i apply reno, the lighter-colored areas (usually the creases) seem to absorb the reno more, and after application, usually do look darker than the rest of the shoe. this is noticeable even with #8, and the pattern looks similar to what your left shoe looks like.. you think the problem could possibly be exacerbated by reno building up in the creases?

post #71367 of 87741
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Originally Posted by halfnhalfnhalf View Post

Yes for Ashland leather:




I love being able to carry a little shell with me wherever I go . . .

Also, my AE walnut Dalton boots (unlined) have partial stamps inside both left and right.

Very nice, is that the green one? Mine is developing patina nicely as well.
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Originally Posted by totalair1 View Post

Fellow SF members-I've got a problem I need advice on.  I've got a pair Alden Whiskey shell Short Wings with a dark area developing in the crease of each shoe, the left shoe is worse than the right.  I've never used any polish on these shoes, I have Saphir Renovateur after the dark area started developing.  I bought these shoes new, and from the beginning they first developed a light hazy area in the crease that appeared normal and I simply tried to polish out with horsehair brush.  But as I brushed the creased area started to have a little gummy like material peel away.  I kept brushing and the material continued to peel away kinda like glue or touch up finish.  Its hard to explain.  Anyway it started getting darker and I stopped.

My question is this something you think was in the finish from the factory?  This area stated looking different as soon as the creases started developing, darker and kinda dirty and hazy.  In retrospect i think these areas were touched up at the factory and I simply brushed away the touch up.  It bothers me to look down and see the dark areas so I want to do something to fix it.  Should I risk sending back to Alden?  Any suggestions on how to get the dark area to lighten up?  The more I brush the darker area seems to spread.

Thanks!

See Ya,
Steve





I have dark spots on a pair of ravello plain toes, I tried everything to remove it but it is still there, just accepted it now and moved on. Casual boot but your pair is a bit more formal.
post #71368 of 87741
Totalair,

I have seen darkish patches develop on a few whiskey pairs, including my own. The only way to really address it is to apply tan paste wax to even out the color and cover it up a bit. I find that fixes the issue for several wears. However, unfortunately I don't know of a way to remove the dark spots (the spots on my whiskey shortwings were a bluish color). This seems to be an issue mainly with whiskey shoes.

I love my whiskey PTBs, but for brogued shoes I am going to focus more on Alden's tan calfskin going forward. Plenty of great models out there using that leather (J Gilbert wingtip boots, the classic Alden shortwing blucher, etc).
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Forgive me, but isn't this Whiskey example essentially the essence of what "patina" is? confused.gif
post #71370 of 87741
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Originally Posted by totalair1 View Post

Fellow SF members-I've got a problem I need advice on.  I've got a pair Alden Whiskey shell Short Wings with a dark area developing in the crease of each shoe, the left shoe is worse than the right.  I've never used any polish on these shoes, I have Saphir Renovateur after the dark area started developing.  I bought these shoes new, and from the beginning they first developed a light hazy area in the crease that appeared normal and I simply tried to polish out with horsehair brush.  But as I brushed the creased area started to have a little gummy like material peel away.  I kept brushing and the material continued to peel away kinda like glue or touch up finish.  Its hard to explain.  Anyway it started getting darker and I stopped.

My question is this something you think was in the finish from the factory?  This area stated looking different as soon as the creases started developing, darker and kinda dirty and hazy.  In retrospect i think these areas were touched up at the factory and I simply brushed away the touch up.  It bothers me to look down and see the dark areas so I want to do something to fix it.  Should I risk sending back to Alden?  Any suggestions on how to get the dark area to lighten up?  The more I brush the darker area seems to spread.

Thanks!

See Ya,
Steve


Alden apply a layer of overcoat glazing on most of their Cordovan shoes to give that instant out-of-the-box-shine. Vigorous brushing will wear out the overcoat glazing prematurely. Excessive use of solvent based products like Saphir Cordovan cream and Renovateur will dissolve the overcoat at various degrees.

Most likely, the sticky gummy thing that you got was the dissolved glazing.

Once the overcoat glazing is removed, the bare Cordovan is exposed. Renovateur darkens light color bare Cordovan slightly. I think that's what you are experiencing.

An appropriate analogy is in wood finishes. Some woodworkers put clear acrylic lacquer to get that easy brilliant shinny finish, while others use oil/wax for polishing.

Regretfully, I think you either leave the shoes as-is or send the shoes back to Alden. They will dye the shoes to a darker hue, and reapply the overcoat glazing.
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