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Originally Posted by smoothie1 View Post

I constantly wonder why some folks purchase new cordovan shoes, brush the heck out of them before wearing--sometimes without any polish or conditioner--and then wonder when things go awry.  
That's easy....they see pictures of mcarthurs shoes!! haha
post #71342 of 94696
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Originally Posted by El Argentino View Post

Yes - it's part of the reason Alden's cordo finishes look so deep and glossy. Compare to Carmina, for example.

True, but it also gives the fake leather plasticky feel that turns away some potential customers.
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Originally Posted by tifosi View Post


I imagine it would be difficult to lighten whiskey "naturally" or without covering it up.

 

 

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Originally Posted by blue collar View Post



If you send them back to Alden they wont fix the spot, they will simply dye the rest of the shoe to match the spot...or darker even.


ill advised confused.gif


From what i've seen before with lighter shell, situations like this only get worse the more you try to "fix" the issue.

 

 

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Originally Posted by tifosi View Post


+1
I'd be tempted to keep them as is and chalk it up to patina. I dunno.

 

 

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Originally Posted by mdubs View Post


Steve, I unfortunately do not have much advice to give you here. I would probably minimize the product used. It would be a shame if it was a cover up sham from the factory. Maybe a little tan paste wax??

I personally would avoid sending back to Alden, as recent experience shoes that they will come back nearly black... :-)

-Mike

 

 

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Originally Posted by sqroot3 View Post
 


weird...when i apply reno, the lighter-colored areas (usually the creases) seem to absorb the reno more, and after application, usually do look darker than the rest of the shoe. this is noticeable even with #8, and the pattern looks similar to what your left shoe looks like.. you think the problem could possibly be exacerbated by reno building up in the creases?

 

 

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Originally Posted by stevent View Post


Very nice, is that the green one? Mine is developing patina nicely as well.
I have dark spots on a pair of ravello plain toes, I tried everything to remove it but it is still there, just accepted it now and moved on. Casual boot but your pair is a bit more formal.

 

 

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Originally Posted by El Argentino View Post

Forgive me, but isn't this Whiskey example essentially the essence of what "patina" is? confused.gif

Gentlemen-Thanks for your comments and suggestions.  I think I will just keep buffing this pair and try to get more Patina going all over them.  For what It's worth I've used very, very, very little Reno on them.  The majority of the darkening has come from buffing with a brush.  To be honest I think a little of it has come from a new expensive horsehair  brush I used that may have a little residue from being made.  I agree that sending to Alden would likely result in a much darker shoe.  I've learned a lot about what to look for in hides when getting a pair of cordovan.  I'm convinced there were some type of issue with them from Alden that was covered up, but real hard to see until wearing them and getting creases.  I feel with enough brushing it will even out somewhat.  Ive seen a lot of SF members with whiskey that looks similar in color to the dark part of my shoes, I can live with that.

 

Hope everybody is having a great Monday...I've seen some great shoes over the weekend and today.  Rather doing a bunch of posts I will say congrats to all of you!

 

See Ya,

Steve

post #71344 of 94696
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Originally Posted by mtc2000 View Post

True, but it also gives the fake leather plasticky feel that turns away some potential customers.
Was that de-glazing done on purpose? For what reason?
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Ah the apologists have arrived to explain that the crummy whiskey finish is the user's fault
post #71346 of 94696
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Originally Posted by mtc2000 View Post

One month old #8 Tanker "de-glazed" using almost two bottles of Renomat. The exposed bare Cordovan is dull. A comparison with a new pair of #8 shoes.






What was your purpose for this? I very curious why you would want to strip all the finish work off
post #71347 of 94696
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Originally Posted by El Argentino View Post

Forgive me, but isn't this Whiskey example essentially the essence of what "patina" is? confused.gif

No.
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Originally Posted by stevent View Post

Very nice, is that the green one? Mine is developing patina nicely as well.
I have dark spots on a pair of ravello plain toes, I tried everything to remove it but it is still there, just accepted it now and moved on. Casual boot but your pair is a bit more formal.

Exactly what I was thinking. I've got a little darkening in my whiskey LWB's but because I wear it as a more casual shoe, I really don't mind it. For some reason I'm not typically a fan of shortwings, but this shoe is beautiful. I really hopes it works out for the OP.
post #71348 of 94696
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Originally Posted by mtc2000 View Post


Alden apply a layer of overcoat glazing on most of their Cordovan shoes to give that instant out-of-the-box-shine. Vigorous brushing will wear out the overcoat glazing prematurely. Excessive use of solvent based products like Saphir Cordovan cream and Renovateur will dissolve the overcoat at various degrees.

Most likely, the sticky gummy thing that you got was the dissolved glazing.

Once the overcoat glazing is removed, the bare Cordovan is exposed. Renovateur darkens light color bare Cordovan slightly. I think that's what you are experiencing.

An appropriate analogy is in wood finishes. Some woodworkers put clear acrylic lacquer to get that easy brilliant shinny finish, while others use oil/wax for polishing.

Regretfully, I think you either leave the shoes as-is or send the shoes back to Alden. They will dye the shoes to a darker hue, and reapply the overcoat glazing.

mtc2000-You are likely correct.  I will say the Reno only got used after things started getting darker.  The initial reason any  of this happened is I wore a few times and the typical hazing occurred along the creases.  I used a deer bone (which has oils in it) and a brush along with a clean cotton t-shirt and that's it.  I think the deer bone oils had a lot to do with the darkening, and the brush too.  Like I said I've learned a lot about lighter colored shell.  Whats weird is this has not occurred on my whiskey NST which I used the deer bone and brush on.  I have dedicated brushes for each color to try and avoid these issues.

 

See Ya,

Steve

post #71349 of 94696
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Originally Posted by mtc2000 View Post

One month old #8 Tanker "de-glazed" using almost two bottles of Renomat. The exposed bare Cordovan is dull. A comparison with a new pair of #8 shoes.






Ah man you're killin me with those shots. They look like old CXL now butbut.gif
post #71350 of 94696
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Originally Posted by prez View Post

The Bureau Belfast , Kafka, Nitty gritty in Sweden, Endclothing in the UK try these all very reliable.
Also Trunkclothiers in London

Thanks so much! I notice that the Indy boots at Trunk and The Next Door are E width only. Does this crosswalk to the US D width, or is this a true E width? Is the European foot on average wider than the US foot?
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Originally Posted by blue collar View Post

Ah man you're killin me with those shots. They look like old CXL now butbut.gif
Yea...even Horween's finishing looks undone.
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Is it just me or has this thread established a precedent that stipulates Reno should be used to try and remedy everything? As a result, it will often be applied excessively when the wearer wants to "fix" an issue with the finish. 

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Originally Posted by n-domino View Post
 

Is it just me or has this thread established a precedent that stipulates Reno should be used to try and remedy everything? As a result, it will often be applied excessively when the wearer wants to "fix" an issue with the finish. 

Are you talking about Renomat or Renovateur? The first is a pretty heavy duty cleaner that should only be used if you want to strip everything. The second is a cleaner/polisher/mild conditioner. I'd never use Renomat to try to fix minor issues with the finish.

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^^ Did we clarify if we are talking about Reno-mat or Rennovateur? I think it needs to be specified in this case. Is it automatically assumed here that Reno = rennovateur?

Edit: anrobit beat me to the question.
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Originally Posted by anrobit View Post
 

Are you talking about Renomat or Renovateur? The first is a pretty heavy duty cleaner that should only be used if you want to strip everything. The second is a cleaner/polisher/mild conditioner. I'd never use Renomat to try to fix minor issues with the finish.

Renovateur 

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