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post #69421 of 91498
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Originally Posted by alexandchau View Post
 

Mike, thanks again for heading this up!  Question for you and all who PMed - would it be better if we had two shell color choices of the Indy boot on Plaza?  Ravello and cigar/whiskey?  This would keep each order count low and increase the chances of Alden confirming both orders.  What do you guys think?  I for one would not complain if I got a cigar Indy instead of ravello!

 

Alex,

 

I would love to submit multiple color options to try and accommodate as many people as possible, especially since there was a much greater interest than I anticipated. However, I got the impression that submitting designs is a lot of work. I am not sure how many designs that I can convince Kathy to order. We initially talked about doing it in Whiskey due to the darkening of Ravello, but I prefer Ravello on the more formal last and I am already on the list at Alden NY for Whiskey Indys.

 

DC has never done Color #4 (Kathy has never even seen #4 in person). I know that you are being sarcastic, but I don't think that one would fly. :-)

 

-Mike

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post #69422 of 91498
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

Not to rain on the parade, but the larger and more frequent the preorder attempts get, the less likely any of them get done. Most retailers already have standing orders in for various rare colors. To the extent Alden will take new orders, it's best to let individual members work whatever their relationships they have with retailers and to let the retailers figure out how big orders can get, what colors and styles are realistic, etc. Going to Alden DC, SF, Shoe Mart or whoever with five lists of 20 orders in rare colors likely will be counterproductive. Just my $0.02.

 

Yeah, I agree. Although there is a lot of interest in the Plaza Indy, I am pretty sure that she is still going to submit a small run, otherwise it won't get done. But we do have an extensive list of people interested in them and I am sure over time, they can get more done...

 

-Mike

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Natural CXL Epaulet Brixton's on a rainy Monday 

 

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Natural CXL Epaulet Brixton's on a rainy Monday 
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Looking good Don L. Nice patina on those boots!
post #69425 of 91498
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I am serious indeed. PM me if you want me to have you added to the list. Like I said, they won't be submitted until Spring since this is a new design to Kathy at Alden DC. She is planning to do them on Waterloc soles.

Alden DC just takes your name and size. No deposit or pre-purchase is necessary. This is the 3rd or 4th set that I have gotten her to run, all have worked like a champ and not required any upfront cost, despite me requesting non-standard narrow sizes.

-Mike

Hi Mike,

This is fantastic! I just sent a PM and am totally in!!!

Thanks,
Richard
post #69426 of 91498
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

Not to rain on the parade, but the larger and more frequent the preorder attempts get, the less likely any of them get done. Most retailers already have standing orders in for various rare colors. To the extent Alden will take new orders, it's best to let individual members work whatever their relationships they have with retailers and to let the retailers figure out how big orders can get, what colors and styles are realistic, etc. Going to Alden DC, SF, Shoe Mart or whoever with five lists of 20 orders in rare colors likely will be counterproductive. Just my $0.02.

Agree with this as well. And this might sound bad, as it kinda goes against the spirit of the forum and this thread in particular, but if you really want to get something like this done you probably shouldn't advertise it here on SF. I realize this works with other makers like Carmina or Trickers, but it's tough with Alden. It's probably better to do it over PM with just a select group of people to ensure that the order doesn't get too big or too muddled with requests for other options.
post #69427 of 91498
At best, a group MTO is like herding cats.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but I think this order has little to no chance of occurring.
post #69428 of 91498
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

Not to rain on the parade, but the larger and more frequent the preorder attempts get, the less likely any of them get done. Most retailers already have standing orders in for various rare colors. To the extent Alden will take new orders, it's best to let individual members work whatever their relationships they have with retailers and to let the retailers figure out how big orders can get, what colors and styles are realistic, etc. Going to Alden DC, SF, Shoe Mart or whoever with five lists of 20 orders in rare colors likely will be counterproductive. Just my $0.02.

+ 1.

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Beatleguese while I agree with keeping the list small, I find the idea of PMing a select group repugnant. Who decides the members of this group, is it limited to all the old timers on here, if so you shut out folks like me. I'd suggest first come first served. I believe I'm prpobably one of the first to have PMed regard this make up.

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Originally Posted by mdubs View Post
 

 

Alex,

 

I would love to submit multiple color options to try and accommodate as many people as possible, especially since there was a much greater interest than I anticipated. However, I got the impression that submitting designs is a lot of work. I am not sure how many designs that I can convince Kathy to order. We initially talked about doing it in Whiskey due to the darkening of Ravello, but I prefer Ravello on the more formal last and I am already on the list at Alden NY for Whiskey Indys.

 

DC has never done Color #4 (Kathy has never even seen #4 in person). I know that you are being sarcastic, but I don't think that one would fly. :-)

 

-Mike

If there is a consensus that alternate preorders is the way to go, I would be up for the plaza lasted Indy in either ravello or whiskey.  Between the two, I have no preference.  

post #69431 of 91498
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Originally Posted by TactileOne View Post
 

Beatleguese while I agree with keeping the list small, I find the idea of PMing a select group repugnant. Who decides the members of this group, is it limited to all the old timers on here, if so you shut out folks like me. I'd suggest first come first served. I believe I'm prpobably one of the first to have PMed regard this make up.

This is why Beatleguese's suggestion, which he himself articulated difficulty in proposing, makes all the sense in the world.  And the answer as to who is selected for the pm can only sensibly be those people selected by the person who is taking the laboring oar on the matter.

 

In this instance, Mdubs is on the phone regularly to retailers.  It is that consistent effort and his apparent schmoozing prowess that yielded the information about the Indy boot possibility.  It is his information to share in any way he sees appropriate.  If he wants the make-up -- and we all know what a difficult proposition that is -- and the best strategy for achieving it is submitting a small list of very reliable confirms, Mdubs would be smart, and sensible, to get together exactly that list and do so as efficiently as possible.  

 

I am not trying to be difficult.  And, if I recall correctly, you have the biggest of dogs.  While you made an extensive strike earlier this year, it may be difficult for you to find even catalogue-listed styles in your size.  But these are only shoes and I am sure that very few of us are walking around bare-foot.  

post #69432 of 91498
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Originally Posted by TactileOne View Post

Beatleguese while I agree with keeping the list small, I find the idea of PMing a select group repugnant. Who decides the members of this group, is it limited to all the old timers on here, if so you shut out folks like me. I'd suggest first come first served. I believe I'm prpobably one of the first to have PMed regard this make up.
Edited. I needed to read a couple posts above. Now I see what you were referring to. I thought you were referring to mdubs initial post.
post #69433 of 91498
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Originally Posted by TactileOne View Post

Beatleguese while I agree with keeping the list small, I find the idea of PMing a select group repugnant. Who decides the members of this group, is it limited to all the old timers on here, if so you shut out folks like me. I'd suggest first come first served. I believe I'm prpobably one of the first to have PMed regard this make up.

While you may find PM'ing a small group of people repugnant, it's probably the only way to get something like this done. Not trying to be a dick, because I'm sure I would be shut out as well if that's the way it was done. But, let's say mdubs or any other member is working with a retailer on a special makeup, and they tell him something like "we can do this if we keep the order to 20 or less." Complete speculation by me, I have no idea what his conversation with Kathy entailed. But for argument's sake, how would you handle this situation? Post something here and say, "the first 20 people that PM me are in, the rest are out." And then dealing with the aftermath of disgruntled SFers that were too late to get in on the group order? That doesn't sound like much fun or a very effective way to get the order confirmed by Alden.

My suggestion was simply providing an effective strategy to get an order placed, the person organizing the order really has no incentive or anything to gain by advertising it publicly, and they certainly don't owe the community here to post about it in this thread. PSAs are different, and it's one thing to say "hey, retailer X is having a sale or Alden store X is having a pre-order." It's another thing entirely to try and get a new group MTO created from scratch.
Edited by Beatlegeuse - 12/23/13 at 11:02am
post #69434 of 91498
Unfortunately in the world of Alden, with limited supply and high demand, it's tough to allocate what preorder or reservation slots do exist. I'm a good customer to almost all domestic Alden retailers and I still find myself behind the eight ball on opportunities on a consistent basis. Until supplies increase, it's up to those with good relationships (either customer-retailer relationships or retailer-Alden relationships) to figure out how to spread news, allocate orders, etc.

I have tended to avoid forum preorders (regardless of brand) because they devolve into every person wanting a different combination of details (last, welt, sole type, speedhooks vs eyelets, antique vs dark sole, color, etc) and it is difficult to keep up with. I'd rather just preorder what is available or buy what is eventually released (I'm lucky enough to have a common enough size). If a member has an idea about what can be made and can actually make it happen, go ahead and just do it and figure out out to fill the slots on your own (first come first serve, personal relationships, whatever).
post #69435 of 91498

Aldenwear, you do not recall correctly you have confused me with someone else. My dogs are not big, and I did not make "an extensive strike earlier this year". I am a relative newcomer here who merely expects a degree of common courtesy in matter such as being allowed to participate in pre orders.

 

I understand that Mike has expended significant amounts of time and effort in this matter. He posted the idea here and I jumped in immediately. Are you suggesting that I am not a "reliable confirm" merely because I have no history with prior preorders.

 

I've no bias either for or against you, but your post smacks of elitism and exclusion of new members.

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