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Originally Posted by hkpm View Post

Alden ravello shell cordovan PTB
 

Ravello PTB today

Very nice Ravellos's on my wish list...maybe this fall?  At least it's supposed to be this fall.

 

See Ya,

Steve

post #54152 of 96741
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Originally Posted by totalair1 View Post

Rancourt and Alden both dye their shells to color #8.  I wonder if you were to use some Alden #8 polish if that would make it a closer match?

 

See Ya,

Steve

I would be worried about polish transferring on to my clothes.

post #54153 of 96741
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

Check out Rancourt. They not only have a shell Color 8 belt for cheaper than Horween, but they also have a Chromexcel Color 8 belt for even cheaper still:

http://www.rancourtandcompany.com/leather-goods.html?limit=all

+1

I have a brown CXL belt from Rancourt and it's a perfect match to my CXL Indy boots
post #54154 of 96741

I have the Natural and Color 8 CXL and highly recommend them.  Eyeing the  Carmel Cordovan to match my Whiskey Shell

post #54155 of 96741
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Originally Posted by totalair1 View Post

Rancourt and Alden both dye their shells to color #8.  I wonder if you were to use some Alden #8 polish if that would make it a closer match?

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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post

I would be worried about polish transferring on to my clothes.

^This.

After I wore the belt a handful of times I stopped caring about the differences in the shades of the colors. I never want to be too matchy-matchy anyway.
post #54156 of 96741
I'm not much of a belt guy (I just get basic belts), so I haven't paid too much attention the cordovan belts. However, if the recent Horween belts had a different buckle, I would have seriously considered them
post #54157 of 96741
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Originally Posted by totalair1 View Post

No question there's a buzz on shell shortage.  I would also agree I went way deep on my purchases of shell shoes, mainly because I wanted them and those who feel I took the bait that's cool too.  I'm a relative newbie to this forum, so I'm sure many of the long time members may not be drinking the cool aide I've been saying.  Setting all opinions aside, my 13D or larger foot size dictates a shortage regardless of...if a real shortage exists. Very few Alden retailers stock above size 12, specially in shell and the rare colors.  There's still a lot of choices in my size in black and #8.  I'm certain that the majority of the shell shoes I've scored lately in cigar, and whiskey are mainly models that have not been produced in a few years, or older inventory.  I'm at a stage in my life I have the ability to spend big for a while and then sit back.  Not 1 pair of the cigar shoes I've bought were advertised anywhere, all were scored by digging, most of the whiskey were the same way except for 1 pair from TSM.  I've tried like hell to score anything in Ravello and with the exception of the 1 pair I found at TSM, otherwise none to be found in my size new or used.  If anybody has a lead on some please PM me!

 

I truly hope I'm wrong and we can discuss all day long, but at this point nothing I've seen indicates otherwise.  The recent list of irregulars from TSM is "all" of the irregulars from Alden.  Most of those are from Retailers inventory that discovered a defect when a pair were pulled from inventory to be sold and "oops".  A prime example is my Whiskey NST on Barrie from TSM.  They had a minor defect where the welt met the heel area and it was a sloppy transition.  Ed at TSM gave me an option of the $399 defect price of he would get Alden to fix them.  I choose to get them fixed.  My point is there were in existing inventory, and not recent production.

 

Let's be real honest...is there any reason that Horween would not crank out rare shell colors if they could? All shell starts as the same color, then dyed. I've seen even small guys who make wallets complaining they can't get black or #8 scraps!  Worldwide demand for shell cordovan is far exceeding supply.  Horween and Alden do what they do to make money, and you can't make money if you don't have product to sell.  Let's also cover 1 other thing...craftsmen.  It is my opinion that true artists who work with leather are a dying breed.  I'm talking custom shoe and boot makers...let's face it many things of that nature are dying off in America, and worldwide.

 

Like all forums these are my opinions, and I expect many to not agree.  None of the opinions on what I've said have given any logic as to why it's not true, only it's a short term problem.  Is Horween hoarding shell cordovan in a secret warehouse?   

 

Have an awesome Thursday!

 

See Ya,

Steve

Steve I hear you, particularly on the large shoe size you require which exceeds most retail size orders. It seems that the boutique retailers, the ones that tend to have the most unique (and cool) makeups have the most limited size runs (and limited width selections). Having a big foot definitely puts you at a disadvantage from the get-go.

 

The statement about the irregulars process from TSM is not entirely accurate. Alden identifies the irregulars at the factory and they never go out to the retailer. Thats why you see the jcrew #8 captoe boot on the irregular list but there is no jcrew stamp on the inside, the same goes for alden for brooks brothers shoes, and all the other retailers. All irregulars just have the regular alden stamp on the heel. Alden sends a "batch" of irregulars to TSM whenever they accumulate enough. It is indeed a very accurate gauge of what is currently being produced at the factory. Follow the irregular lists for a couple years and follow the special makeups at Alden retailers and you will see the correlation pretty easily. Sometimes you can actually buy a special makeup via the irregulars before the retailer even gets their delivery, I have seen that happen at least once with a very hyped up special model that Leathersoul had produced exclusively for them.


Edited by shaunw - 6/27/13 at 9:00am
post #54158 of 96741
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Originally Posted by shaunw View Post

Steve I hear you, particularly on the large shoe size you require which exceeds most retail size orders. It seems that the boutique retailers, the ones that tend to have the most unique (and cool) makeups have the most limited size runs (and limited width selections). Having a big foot definitely puts you at a disadvantage from the get-go.

 

The statement about the irregulars process from TSM is not entirely accurate. Alden identifies the irregulars at the factory and they never go out to the retailer. Thats why you see the jcrew #8 captoe boot on the irregular list but there is no jcrew stamp on the inside, the same goes for alden for brooks brothers shoes, and all the other retailers. All irregulars just have the regular alden stamp on the Alden sends a "batch" of irregulars to TSM whenever they accumulate enough. It is indeed a very accurate gauge of what is currently being produced at the factory. Follow the irregular lists for a couple years and follow the special makeups at Alden retailers and you will see the coorelation pretty easily. Sometimes you can actually buy a special makeup via the irregulars before the retailer even gets their delivery, I have seen that happen at least once with a very hyped up special model that Leathersoul had produced exclusively.

I'm sure there's lot of truth to what you are saying.  My only TSM irregular I bought has "Bootmaker Edition" stamped inside it, which is exclusive to TSM.  I meant to imply TSM sells all of the Alden irregulars, many are identified at the Alden factory.  However...no doubt many are identified in the field too.  What I'm sure of, the defect in the pair of Whiskey shells I got from TSM should have been caught and corrected at the factory but was not.

 

I'm enjoying the discussion!

 

See Ya,

Steve

post #54159 of 96741
Guys,

Quick question , is the Indy considered a comfortable boot ?, I know they're rugged and can take anything but comfortwise how's the Neocork sole? , I've never seen or tried one , I did try a Crepe sole and while I didn't like the look it was very comfortable.

I'm not into dress boots but want one for jeans and Khakis and like the 403 but comfort is very important to me.

Thanks.
post #54160 of 96741
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Originally Posted by epc2 View Post

Guys,

Quick question , is the Indy considered a comfortable boot ?, I know they're rugged and can take anything but comfortwise how's the Neocork sole? , I've never seen or tried one , I did try a Crepe sole and while I didn't like the look it was very comfortable.

I'm not into dress boots but want one for jeans and Khakis and like the 403 but comfort is very important to me.

Thanks.

Very. Probably one of the most comfortable boots available. In fact, this is why Harrison Ford insisted on wearing them in the movies. He swore by them while working as a carpenter before he became a big time actor. 

post #54161 of 96741
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

I'm not much of a belt guy (I just get basic belts), so I haven't paid too much attention the cordovan belts. However, if the recent Horween belts had a different buckle, I would have seriously considered them

I am right there with you. I was not going to pay that much money for a belt with a buckle I didn't like.
post #54162 of 96741
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Originally Posted by epc2 View Post

Guys,

Quick question , is the Indy considered a comfortable boot ?, I know they're rugged and can take anything but comfortwise how's the Neocork sole? , I've never seen or tried one , I did try a Crepe sole and while I didn't like the look it was very comfortable.

I'm not into dress boots but want one for jeans and Khakis and like the 403 but comfort is very important to me.

Thanks.
I wore work boots in my job(jobs) for over 50 yrs . Indys are by a long shot the most comfortable I 've worn . I did not wear them for work however as I DESTROYED boots
post #54163 of 96741
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Originally Posted by epc2 View Post

Guys,

Quick question , is the Indy considered a comfortable boot ?, I know they're rugged and can take anything but comfortwise how's the Neocork sole? , I've never seen or tried one , I did try a Crepe sole and while I didn't like the look it was very comfortable.

I'm not into dress boots but want one for jeans and Khakis and like the 403 but comfort is very important to me.

Thanks.

I agree with the other replies to this question --- very comfortable boot.  But I find the neo/cork sole to be quite heavy. At least I think it's the sole.  My other Alden boots with double leather soles aren't as heavy and I don't think it would be the Indy boot uppers that would make the weight difference.  When/if I resole them, I think I'll go commando/vibram.

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Thanks guys sounds good , the Walnut Indy on Unionmade looks very good and comes with commando sole , but no sold on the walnut color , I really like the Chromexcel 403.
post #54165 of 96741
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Originally Posted by BootSpell View Post

I agree with the other replies to this question --- very comfortable boot.  But I find the neo/cork sole to be quite heavy. At least I think it's the sole.  My other Alden boots with double leather soles aren't as heavy and I don't think it would be the Indy boot uppers that would make the weight difference.  When/if I resole them, I think I'll go commando/vibram.

Agreed. Given the weight of the neo-cork sole, I'd rather just have the commando.
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