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For me, a 11D Barrie fits me very, very well. I do have to mention that my left foot is a great deal wider than my right (this causes me major fit issues).
11.5D in Grant would have worked out very well for me if it was not for my left foot (waaaay to tight). 11.5D in Grant fit my right foot perfect.
I ended up with 11.5E.
I will say however, the #8 4060's have been garnering tons of compliments.
are the shell indy's welt the same as the cxl / calf? Just wondering about any fit differences, as i have only tried on the 405, but am considering shell without the ability to try on before purchase (and returning overseas would be prohibitive)
and fit difference between "storm welt" and "true goodyear"?
There will be subtle fit differences between types of leathers. This fit difference has everything to do with the properties of the leather (thickness, malleablility, ability to stretch, etc.). On initial fitting, the difference is often caused by how tightly the leather can be stretched over the last. For example, cowhide shoes may run a half size larger than the same shoe made from calfskin. Down the road, and after the shoes have been thoroughly broken in, some leathers will give more than others, effecting fit.
None of these differences have anything to do with the welt, however. Alden uses different welts for their shoes and boots, and you can get the same boot with different welts, depending upon the makeup. A storm-welt and a Goodyear-welt are not mutually exclusive, and they have nothing to do with fit. Goodyear-welted shoes all use the same basic method of construction, but different welts can be used in the manufactering process (a storm-welt is one of these). The welt exists to bind the upper, insole, and outsole together, and provide a basis for easy resoling while keeping the rest of the shoe together. There is some inconsistency between shoe manufacterers when it comes to welt terminology. Some call them Split-Reverse Storm Welts, for example. It is really more of an aesthetic addition to the shoe to give it a heavier appearance.
True storm welts (see this source: http://www.barbourcorp.com/pdf/welting_catalog.pdf) are built slightly differently and have more of a rounded bead effect up against the leather. It will act more like weatherstripping on a door. It will do a bit more to keep water out, but even they are not perfect. It is simply the best that can really be expected short of going to more modern methods and materials such as Gore-tex or using molded rubber soles that bond to the leather upper like many hiking/work/hunting boots.
Sometimes you will see a line of stitching around the upturned edge of the split-reverse welt, and many people have believed that this is an additional line of stitching that is sealing the upturned edge using waxed thread to prevent water entry. This isn't the case, however. The stitching in those cases is false, and it is purely decorative. These are sometimes called "fudge welts." Alden uses these as well.
If the shoe is Goodyear-welted, these are pretty much the main options.
Alternatively, a Norwegian welt (not to be confused with the Norwegian Split-Toe design which is a decorative stitching of the uppers) actually has two functional rows of stitching. See this diagram:
Therefore, if you see a shoe with two rows of stitching, first determine if it is Goodyear-welted, or Norwegian welt construction. If it is Goodyear-welted (as most high-end shoes are) then one of the above scenarios should apply. If it is Norwegian (again, not to be confused with the Norwegian Split-Toe design which is a decorative stitching of the uppers), then the crossection of this diagram is what you are looking at.
I know you may not have wanted such a long answer, but a more thorough knowledge of the role that a welt plays in shoe construction may help you understand why it isn't an aspect of fit. Fit is determined by the shape and size of the last first, and can be slightly effected by the leather type, and insole characteristics (foam insoles vs. all leather insoles lead to different fits).
Thank you very much for your advice. Much Appreciate! BTW my current collection has a LWB in color 8 and ravello, a cigar NST and a black shell perf cap toe.